BG5150 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 We have a plan that withheld 401(k) deferrals from bonuses, which are excluded in the plan document. So we need to return the deferrals to the participants. For corrective contributions, that is, when we need to GIVE the participatn something, we've been using the DOL calculator for earnings out of convenience. Can this same method be used when calc'ing earnings on funds LEAVING the plan? If the participant experienced a loss in real life, then using the DOL figures will jsut serve to exacerbate the losses. So how do you figure out the earnings for funds leaving the plan in practice? (My software cannot accomplish this) QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 I think it can, if you have actual rates, use actual earnings rates. Otherwise look at Revenue Procedure 2013-12, Section 6.02(5)(a) where I think it says in cases where using an actual rate of return is either not available or the cost to determine the actual rate of return would exceed the difference - those situations allow you to use the DOL VFCP calculator rates.
BG5150 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Posted October 27, 2015 So, people who had a loss are just SOL? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted October 27, 2015 Posted October 27, 2015 No, not if you apply the actual earnings on their accounts. But yes, if you use the DOL rate. How much actual earnings difference is there?
BG5150 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Posted October 28, 2015 We often have plans with a couple hundred over-matches, or Safe Harbor contribs more than 3%. In one case, we have a plan that allowed participants to defer from bonuses when they are explicitly excluded from the plan. We are trying to get procedures in place to most efficiently calculate the earnings for those transactions that have money leaving the plan. (Or at least, the participants' accounts) QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
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