thepensionmaven Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 Why would a TPA have the file Form 5500 instead of Form 5500-SF for a small, 8 participant plan, other than to charge a higher fee?? The investments are with a broker.
Doghouse Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 If all the assets are "eligible plan assets" as described in the SF instructions, no reason.
BG5150 Posted November 14, 2016 Posted November 14, 2016 To go further, see if any of these apply: If your plan is required to file an annual return/report, youmay file the Form 5500-SF instead of the Form 5500 onlyif you meet all of the eligibility conditions listed below. 1. The plan (a) covered fewer than 100 participants atthe beginning of the plan year 2015, or (b) under 29 CFR2520.103-1(d) was eligible to and filed as a small plan forplan year 2014 and did not cover more than 120participants at the beginning of plan year 2015(seeinstructions for line 5 on counting the number ofparticipants); 2. The plan did not hold any employer securities at anytime during the plan year; 3. At all times during the plan year, the plan was 100%invested in certain secure, easy to value assets that meetthe definition of “eligible plan assets” (see the instructionsfor line 6a), such as mutual fund shares, investmentcontracts with insurance companies and banks valued atleast annually, publicly traded securities held by aregistered broker dealer, cash and cash equivalents, andplan loans to participants; 4. The plan is eligible for the waiver of the annualexamination and report of an independent qualified publicaccountant (IQPA) under 29 CFR 2520.104-46 (but not byreason of enhanced bonding), which requirementincludes, among others, giving certain disclosures andsupporting documents to participants and beneficiariesregarding the plan’s investments (see instructions for line6b); and 5. The plan is not a multiemployer plan. 6. The plan is not required to file a Form M-1, Reportfor Multiple-Employer Welfare Arrangements (MEWAs)and Certain Entities Claiming Exception (ECEs) during theplan year. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Belgarath Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 It is at least theoretically possible that the TPA isn't charging any more for the regular 5500 than they would charge for the SF. K2retire and RatherBeGolfing 2
BG5150 Posted November 15, 2016 Posted November 15, 2016 ^ true. And sometimes, firms just prepare the same form as the previous year "because that's the way it's always been done." RatherBeGolfing 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
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