The 402"(G)" Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Hi all, Hopefully someone can help, I've searched and not much has come up on the subject. We have a plan that consists of 4 groups. (A,B,C,D) Group A would do administration and training for the other 3 groups. Recently, ownership and roles have changed and it made more sense to convert the plan to an open MEP. Group A still handing the work regarding the plan and letting the other groups adopt provisions within the plan. In past years and from 1/1/2016 to 6/30/2016 it was all in 1 plan, 1 5500. Filing with Group A's data. From 7/1/2016 to 12/31/2016 (and beyond) it is going to be treated as an open MEP. 4 5500's going forward. My question relates to the 5500 filing for this conversion year. It would seem two scenarios are at play, and I'm having trouble finding guidance: Scenario 1 - A 5500 filed for 1/1/2016 to 6/30/2016 showing a transfer out of all the assets. This would be due 4/15/2017 with extension. Then 4 5500's for the 4 groups 7/1/2016 to 12/31/2016 with assets transferred in. Scenario 2 - Since Group A will exist throughout the whole process. Group A files a 5500 from 1/1/2016 - 12/31/2016 - showing a transfer out of the other 3's assets. Then the other 3 groups file their 5500's from 7/1/2016 to 12/31/2016. We are leaning towards Scenario 2 but unsure. Thank you in advance!
CuseFan Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 so you always had a multiple employer plan but satisfied "commonality" from DOL perspective and now you don't? i think you have to go with S2. Using S1 would only make sense if plan terminated. How would/could you file for A under S1? there's not a lot of guidance on this sort of stuff with 5500's - i'd just do what is reasonable and defensible, Scenario 2. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
The 402"(G)" Posted March 14, 2017 Author Posted March 14, 2017 CuseFan We actually didn't have a MEP initially. It was more of a controlled group situation.Circumstances changed over time and a change in ownership, ect. So we did a change 7/1 to an Open MEP. But from additional research and talks with people it does seem that Scenario 2 is making much more sense. Thank you!
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