Pension RC Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 We have a DB plan that terminated in February 2017. After all of the participants were paid, there were still surplus assets. The plan sponsor would like to reallocate 20% of the surplus to the participants so that the excise tax on the remaining surplus is reduced to 20%. A couple of questions: 1) A participant terminated employment in May 2015 and was paid in November 2016. Must she be included in the allocation? 2) The plan benefits were paid to participants on various dates, as the distribution forms were returned. As such, the PVAB's were adjusted to the dates of the payouts. Now that we are allocating 20% of the surplus (and assuming that allocating based upon PVAB's isn't discriminatory) the PVAB's for the allocation would all be as of a single date - correct? Any responses would be appreciated!
My 2 cents Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 Rule number 1: Do not discriminate in favor of the highly compensated. There may be good reasons for allocating the portion of the surplus proportional to compensation and not to the size of the plan termination distributions. Not sure if the person paid in November 2016 (not part of the plan termination?) must be included. Are there others who were similarly situated? Certainly, distributions only a couple of months before the plan termination ought to be thought about, even if they don't have to be included. Always check with your actuary first!
CuseFan Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 if it was a distribution in conjunction with the termination then the participant should be included. If February was the termination date (and not distribution timing for earlier plan termination date) then this precluded the termination and the person need not share in excess allocation. HOWEVER, allocating on PVAB is not automatically nondiscriminatory. If formula was integrated then such an allocation could violate 401(l). If the plan was a CBP that greatly favored owners by leveraging a PSP with combined testing, allocating excess CB assets on account balances will likely need to be general tested and not likely to pass w/o combining with PSP - which may not be possible because they no longer have the same PY. If you had a safe harbor non-integrated design then allocating on PVABs should be nondiscriminatory. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
david rigby Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, CuseFan said: HOWEVER, allocating on PVAB is not automatically nondiscriminatory. If formula was integrated then such an allocation could violate 401(l). I've followed this pattern before: allocate the excess pro-rata on PVAB of the "base" portion of the benefit. Other allocations may also be valid. NJ Mike 1 I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
CuseFan Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 yes, that works Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
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