SSRRS Posted October 29, 2018 Posted October 29, 2018 HI, An one participant owner only DB plan wants to terminate and roll the assets to an IRA . I recall an old post where it was mentioned that since the plan is terminating and rolling the assets to an IRA the first RMD would be allowed to use the DC method. I this indeed allowable and what if for the current year he needs to take two RMDs (as the first was deferred) can he take both RMDs based on the DC Method and then roll the remaining assets to an IRA? Thank YOU.
AndyH Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 If a person selects a full lump sum distribution and must have an RMD (or two) withheld at the same time, yes the account balance method can be used to determine the RMD.
david rigby Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Pardon my ignorance, but what is meant by "... the first was referred..."? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
CuseFan Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 "deferred" (not referred) - so paid as of the RBD as opposed to the first calendar distribution year (attainment of 70 1/2) Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Lou S. Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 The DC method for terminating DB Plan is somewhere in the 401(a)(9) regs. I forget the exact cite but it's somewhere in the DB Q&As if i remember right. Is this for an upcoming issue? That is he's considering terminating the Plan in 2019 and his RBD is 4/1/19?
SSRRS Posted October 30, 2018 Author Posted October 30, 2018 Thank you Andy H, David Rigby, CuseFan and Lou S.
SSRRS Posted March 27, 2020 Author Posted March 27, 2020 On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 10:34 AM, AndyH said: If a person selects a full lump sum distribution and must have an RMD (or two) withheld at the same time, yes the account balance method can be used to determine the RMD. Hi, Is this allowed (take DB RMD based on account balance method) only if the RMD is his first, or is it allowed even in a case where it is not the First year that he must take an RMD? Meaning he is terminating the DB plan (owner only plan) and taking a lump sum rollover to an.IRA. Can he take his RMD prior to rolling to the IRA based on the DC method even though he has taken in previous years an RMD in the normal DB annuity form? Thank you.
Lou S. Posted March 27, 2020 Posted March 27, 2020 If converting to a lump sump at termination, you can use the DC method in the year of the lump sum distribution, even if they had been taking installments to satisfy the DB RMD in prior years.
Mike Preston Posted March 28, 2020 Posted March 28, 2020 I'd be a bit careful of this as a blanket statement. Sometimes 415 gets in the way.
SSRRS Posted March 31, 2020 Author Posted March 31, 2020 Thank you Lou S. and Mike Preston for the detailed and informative information. I hope you all are/will stay ok and safe.
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