mjf06241972 Posted April 28, 2019 Posted April 28, 2019 Two partners are only employees in a business and want to start 401k / psp. In reading 5500EZ instructions they can file 5500EZ if the partners are the only employees? Just wanted to confirm this. Thanks.
jpod Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 Yes, subject to the limitation on filing the EZ if the partnership files a minimum number of information returns each year.
justanotheradmin Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 It depends on the business entity type. From the 5500 EZ instructions " A one-participant plan means a retirement plan (that is, a defined benefit pension plan or a defined contribution profit-sharing or money purchase pension plan), other than an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP), which: 1. Covers only you (or you and your spouse) and you (or you and your spouse) own the entire business (which may be incorporated or unincorporated); or 2. Covers only one or more partners (or partners and their spouses) in a business partnership; and 3. Does not provide benefits for anyone except you (or you and your spouse) or one or more partners (or partners and their spouses)." I've always understood the instructions to mean that a corporation ( LLC, S-Corp, C-corp etc) could NOT file as a one-participant plan (and thus use Form 5500-EZ) unless it was a single owner, or single owner plus spouse, or two owners who happen to be spouses to each other. Multiple owners who aren't spouses don't seem to qualify. A general partnership with more than one partner WOULD meet the requirement for one-participant plan. I'm a stranger on the internet. Nothing I write is tax or legal advice. I'd like a witty saying here, but I don't have any. When in doubt, what does the plan document say?
Below Ground Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 Given that the two partners are the only employees, of the firm, they could file an EZ if there is no controlled group, affiliated service group and/or leased employees involving this firm. I don't believe that the type of entity relevant for most firms, provided that the firm is an entity that can adopt a 401(k) plan. I suggest that the use of the term "partner" or "partners" is referring to owners of the firm, in a "generic business partnership". Note the use of the phrase "in a business partnership". It does not say a Partnership. To confirm this perspective, from "PPA SEC. 1103. REPORTING SIMPLIFICATION" we are told .... "for purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘‘partner’’ includes a 2-percent shareholder (as defined in section 1372(b) of such Code) of an S corporation." (preceding text was explaining definition of "One-Participant Plan" for reporting.) Perhaps when the firm is a C-Corp you can't use 5500-EZ, but I think this is "safe ground" when the entity is an LLC taxed as a Partnership or an S-Corp. I must also say for "full disclosure" that I almost never use Form 5500-EZ since a 5500-SF can be filed for a "One Participant Plan"; thereby making it mimic the filing privacy (versus public disclosure) applied to a 5500-EZ vs 5500-SF. So I would just file a 5500-SF and have no issue of concern. Having braved the blizzard, I take a moment to contemplate the meaning of life. Should I really be riding in such cold? Why are my goggles covered with a thin layer of ice? Will this effect coverage testing? QPA, QKA
jpod Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 The regulatory exemption from ERISA Title I - and the associated Title I filing requirements - applies only if the two individuals are partners in a partnership. Notwithstanding the PPA provision unless there has been sub-regulatory guidance to the contrary from the DOL which I don't recall the Title I exemption is not available for a plan covering only shareholders of an S corp or only members of an LLC.
Bird Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Below Ground said: To confirm this perspective, from "PPA SEC. 1103. REPORTING SIMPLIFICATION" we are told .... "for purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘‘partner’’ includes a 2-percent shareholder (as defined in section 1372(b) of such Code) of an S corporation." (preceding text was explaining definition of "One-Participant Plan" for reporting.) Perhaps when the firm is a C-Corp you can't use 5500-EZ, but I think this is "safe ground" when the entity is an LLC taxed as a Partnership or an S-Corp. Thanks for the reminder about this - I think I learned it here on the board a few years ago, and promptly forgot. The instructions to the forms have not caught up. Below Ground 1 Ed Snyder
Below Ground Posted May 1, 2019 Posted May 1, 2019 You are welcome Bird. Of course, I still always used Form SF to avoid any question. Having braved the blizzard, I take a moment to contemplate the meaning of life. Should I really be riding in such cold? Why are my goggles covered with a thin layer of ice? Will this effect coverage testing? QPA, QKA
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