metsfan026 Posted September 30, 2021 Posted September 30, 2021 Good morning everyone! I just wanted to make sure we are using the correct segment rate for the calculation of the Normal Cost. The calculation should be: Contribution Credit x The Assumed Interest Rate (to the power of the number of years until retirement) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Segment Rate (to the power of the number of years until retirement) For the segment rate being used, it should be: First segment rate: 0-5 years from retirement Second segment rate: 6-20 years from retirement Third segment rate: More than 20 years from retirement Thanks in advance for confirming
C. B. Zeller Posted September 30, 2021 Posted September 30, 2021 1st segment rate is used for benefits payable in less than 5 years from the valuation date. 2nd segment rate is used for benefits payable in 5 years and less than 20 years from the valuation date. 3rd segment rate is used for benefits payable in 20 years or more from the valuation date. A benefit expected to be paid exactly 5 years from the valuation date would be discounted using the 2nd segment rate. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
metsfan026 Posted September 30, 2021 Author Posted September 30, 2021 Got it. So it's 4 years or less, between 5 and 19 years and then 20+ years
C. B. Zeller Posted September 30, 2021 Posted September 30, 2021 If you're only talking about whole years, then yes. However consider that retirement benefits are often paid in the form of a monthly annuity. In that case you might have benefits that are payable in more than 4 but less than 5 years. Those benefits would be discounted using the 1st segment rate. Given that this is a cash balance plan, you might be using an assumption of 100% lump sum benefits paid at normal retirement age. As always, check with your actuary to see what assumptions are reasonable. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
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