Jakyasar Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 Hi I am having my first disability request in my entire career and a bit challenging to understand. This is for a cash balance plan, 2 years old. Document has a few options for benefits but do not see "lump sum". The only other option could be under "Other" which I am checking with the vendor. The participant in question is an owner/HCE and unfortunately not much time left to live so no coming back to work. He is age 63+. He checks all the requirements of being disabled, unfortunately. Currently on disability however still part of the company i.e. not officially terminated, at least that is what I am told. Still a 5%+ owner but no salary. No interest credit as provided annual at EOY. It is a fixed rate so no interim adjustments. From all the material I could find, looks like, can pay him his lump sum now, correct? He is already 100% vested. I am assuming, being an HCE, I still have to perform 110% test, correct? Anything else I am not thinking of/missing? Thank you
david rigby Posted February 11, 2022 Posted February 11, 2022 Meeting the definition of disability is one thing. Does he also have a distributable event? Hint: you wrote, "not officially terminated". Read the document. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Jakyasar Posted February 11, 2022 Author Posted February 11, 2022 I did and trying to determine if one exists (possibly may take the in-service route as age 63+). I am assuming 110% rule still applies as it is not related to the disability issues?
CuseFan Posted February 14, 2022 Posted February 14, 2022 110% rule applies regardless and would apply to beneficiary if this unfortunate situation becomes a death benefit. Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Jakyasar Posted February 14, 2022 Author Posted February 14, 2022 Thank you for confirming, very sad situation.
truphao Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 What about amending the plan to allow in-service? I do not think there is a way around 110%.
Jakyasar Posted February 15, 2022 Author Posted February 15, 2022 Already discussed the option but thank you.
Luke Bailey Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 3:12 PM, Jakyasar said: Currently on disability however still part of the company i.e. not officially terminated, at least that is what I am told. Still a 5%+ owner but no salary. Whether someone has terminated from employment or not is a question of facts and circumstances. If he is no longer being paid by the company for his services, his activities may be supervisory in his role as a shareholder. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
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