Draper55 Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 For purposes of computing the equivalent accrued benefit at NRA in a cash balance plan, can the benefit decrease at a later point in time due to a decline in the projected interest crediting rate? Practically it will likely not matter since a participant will opt for the cash balance account value. There is no early retirement date in this plan for what it is worth. I would think it could decline,but not sure if the IRS has ever opined on this. The 411 regs were written with traditional defined benefit plans in mind so not much guidance there.
CuseFan Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 I don't think the accrued benefit can ever be less than the highest it is on or after early retirement eligibility. That the plan does not have an early retirement provision is the key, I think, and allows the accrued benefit to fluctuate up and down with the interest crediting rate and resulting projection. Yes, in reality it won't matter because benefit will be paid as a lump sum, but we all know practicality and IRS rules do not mix! Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
C. B. Zeller Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 Reason #27 on the Big List of Reasons Why You Shouldn't Use a Variable Interest Crediting Rate. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Draper55 Posted March 7, 2022 Author Posted March 7, 2022 Thanks CF and C.B. for your comments. I think Cf that is definitely true for traditional dbs but was not sure if the consensus was that it mapped over to the NRA equivalent for CB plans. That is a good point CB for a fixed crediting rate;my impression has been that in recent years, at least since the 2014 regs, that most actuaries were leaning toward variable rates. I think using the segment rates can eliminate funding whipsaw but may well invite the problem I have raised here.
Effen Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, Draper55 said: since the 2014 regs, that most actuaries were leaning toward variable rates. Interesting comment. I would not have said that, but that might just mean I am out of touch. Hard to say what "most" are doing when there are only limited opportunities to network due to COVID. I agree that larger variable plans are becoming more popular, but I haven't seen that thinking invade small plan land. John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA 1 The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
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