MP CPC Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 Here's a 401k- safe harbor- profit sharing plan where every eligible participant can defer and also receives 3% safe harbor non-elective contribution. The doctor wants to give himself and spouse up to 6% profit sharing non-elective contribution and 0% to staff. This formula passes 410(b) Ratio Percentage Test, Rate Group Testing and General Test Average Benefits Test by aggregating non-elective and SHNEC. And Gateway is met with 3% to NHCE and 9% to HCE - 1/3 test. Seems discriminatory, testing says otherwise. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks!
Popular Post C. B. Zeller Posted March 23, 2022 Popular Post Posted March 23, 2022 This is a common way to structure contributions when you have an older HCE and some younger NHCEs. It is not discriminatory, as long as the numerical tests under 401(a)(4) are satisfied (and you said that they are). SHNEC is considered a profit sharing contribution for purposes of 410(b) and 401(a)(4). Mr Bagwell, Lou S., Bri and 2 others 4 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
Bri Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 It's not uncommon for a TPA to give a sponsor options - plain 3% SH, a "3 + 9" where it's exactly as you describe, and then a "5 + max" for small, medium, and large contributions. Luke Bailey, MP CPC, Bill Presson and 1 other 3 1
CuseFan Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 All the time Luke Bailey, Bill Presson, Lou S. and 1 other 3 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
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