SadieJane Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 Upon termination of a DB pension plan, surplus pension assets may be transferred directly to the employer's DC plan to avoid or reduce the excise tax otherwise applicable under Code Section 4980. Is there any reason that the surplus assets cannot be transferred in-kind to the DC Plan? Thanks.
CuseFan Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 I don't think so, but if the reason for doing so is to keep those assets invested, note that gains and losses in that escrow account will increase/decrease the portion that gets allocated each year - so volatility and lack of liquidity could be issues. Luke Bailey 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
david rigby Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 At the risk of repeating myself, don't forget to re-read IRC 4980 to see the conditions that permit such a transfer. Luke Bailey 1 I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Bri Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 I just gazed at Code 4980, didn't see anything describing how the transfer "must" occur other than not passing through the employer's hands first. Bill Presson and Luke Bailey 2
Bill Presson Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 We see this done, essentially, when the two plans have maintained a combined trust for years. The assets "transfer" to the DC plan in bookkeeping form on an effective date. Luke Bailey 1 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
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