metsfan026 Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 Is there anything special to do to file a Form 5500 for a Frozen Cash Balance Plan? It is fully funded (assets exceed the liabilities) OR do we just file it with no contribution requirements for the year?
Bri Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 Same as any other plan, but code 1I (one-eye, depending on your font)
metsfan026 Posted October 11, 2024 Author Posted October 11, 2024 15 minutes ago, Bri said: Same as any other plan, but code 1I (one-eye, depending on your font) Thanks! So, if they opt to un-freeze the plan at some point we simply remove that code on the 5500, right? I just wanted to make sure
david rigby Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 Is it just me? Is there something else going on? Has there been any doubt about the ongoing reporting and disclosure requirements of a frozen plan? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
C. B. Zeller Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 44 minutes ago, metsfan026 said: Is there anything special to do to file a Form 5500 for a Frozen Cash Balance Plan? It is fully funded (assets exceed the liabilities) OR do we just file it with no contribution requirements for the year? Frozen does not necessarily mean no contribution requirement. Even if the assets exceed the funding target right now, and the target normal cost is zero due to no benefits accruing, you could be subject to a minimum contribution in the future due to changes in interest rates and/or fluctuation in the value of assets. The plan is still subject to 430, and still required to have a schedule SB, until it is terminated. ugueth 1 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
metsfan026 Posted October 11, 2024 Author Posted October 11, 2024 8 minutes ago, C. B. Zeller said: Frozen does not necessarily mean no contribution requirement. Even if the assets exceed the funding target right now, and the target normal cost is zero due to no benefits accruing, you could be subject to a minimum contribution in the future due to changes in interest rates and/or fluctuation in the value of assets. The plan is still subject to 430, and still required to have a schedule SB, until it is terminated. Yes, the SB was being done as Frozen and $0 Normal Cost. I just had never done the form for the Frozen, so wasn't sure what to check off (unlike with a Terminated Plan). There's a chance the opt to unfreeze it in a year or two, or just close it down (it's not subject PBGC). That's why I was asking.
Bri Posted October 11, 2024 Posted October 11, 2024 yeah, so if they do unfreeze down the road, you'd pull that code. Otherwise you might sort of visualize it as just an ongoing plan with a 0% formula for everyone - you do everything else like you'd "normally do".
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