KaJay Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Questions: When a non-resident alien provides a 403(b)(9) non-electing church retirement plan with Form W-8BEN, indicating he/she is eligible for a reduction in federal withholding based on a treaty with the US (example: US - Canada Treaty), can the plan: 1. Simply accept the form and its claim or is there a particular review the plan must first do and what is the plan's ultimate liability to ensure the information is true? 2. Require 30% withholding on any distribution to a non-resident alien as a plan policy?
ERISA_Guy Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 1. the plan's liability is 1099 reporting (and withholding) errors -- the plan is liable for the tax if they get it wrong. The form has to pass the smell test, the plan must confirm the form info. 2. a "we don't check, we just withhold to be safe" policy doesn't work.
ESOP Guy Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago What I can tell you if a Canadian has to file a return from Canada to get some part of the 30% refunded to them they will almost certainly have to hire an accountant in Canada who is a specialist in this kind of cross boarder taxes. And I know this from experience as I was part of mistakenly withholding 30% on a Canadian. It was such a difficult process for him to help keep goodwill with the client, who was a large client, we agreed to reimburse this guy for the cost of the accountant. In our case ESOPs delay payment long enough often times the person doesn't have W-2 income in the year of payment. So the filing was exclusively for this payment. I realize you tend to focus on the plan but if the client cares at all about their alumni are treated they might not care for a 30% withholding policy. I will leave it to others who know more to decide what the law says but we rarely question a W-8Ben if the client seems to agree the person is living on the other country and they should be paid based to an address in that country. KaJay 1
Peter Gulia Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago A payer might check carefully whether a distributee’s withholding certificate: is completed according to the form and its instructions; is internally consistent; is logically consistent with facts known to the plan or its payer; does not present a statement the payer knows to be false; includes the supporting documentation the form or its instructions requires; shows nothing that suggests a false document or a forgery. Among other law sources, regulations to interpret and implement Internal Revenue Code of 1986 § 1441 are 26 C.F.R. §§ 1.1441-1 to -9. The table of contents for those sections is 26 C.F.R. § 1.1441-0, https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-26/section-1.1441-0. The rules are complex, detailed, and include many internal definitions. In general: “A withholding agent must withhold 30 percent of any payment of an amount subject to withholding made to a payee that is a foreign person unless it can reliably associate the payment with documentation upon which it can rely to treat the payment as made to a payee that is a U.S. person or as made to a beneficial owner that is a foreign person entitled to a reduced rate of withholding.” 26 C.F.R. § 1.1441-1(b)(1), https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-26/part-1/section-1.1441-1#p-1.1441-1(b)(1). Also, a payer might maintain a table or list with each nation’s income tax treaty withholding rate. Some payers’ systems integrate this in the distribution-processing software. Consider that applying 30% withholding without checking whether the distributee properly claims lesser withholding might deprive the distributee of a right under applicable law or the plan. This is not advice to anyone. KaJay 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Peter Gulia Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago A retirement plan’s administrator or its service provider might prefer to act carefully to maintain a participant’s or beneficiary’s respect and good will. Doing so calls for at least respecting a proper claim for withholding at a treaty’s rate (including, if applicable, a zero). That might help a distributee avoid an otherwise unnecessary tax return. Many church plans provide communications to help a participant or beneficiary become aware of treaty-claiming opportunities. If a plan’s administrator or its service provider sees that a claim specifies a non-U.S. address but does not include a Form W-8BEN, someone might ask the claimant whether the omission is deliberate or inadvertent. A review of a withholding certificate typically does not investigate whether its statements of fact are true, but does check whether the administrator or payer knows a statement to be false or inconsistent with the plan’s records. While I am known for writing plan provisions beyond the norms, I doubt a mere plan provision could grant a § 403(b) plan’s insurer, § 403(b)(7) custodian, or § 403(b)(9) retirement income account administrator a power to withhold from a nonalienable distribution more U.S. Federal income tax than applicable law commands. Might it be simplest to follow the tax law rules? This is not advice to anyone. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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