Santo Gold Posted November 2, 2021 Posted November 2, 2021 A participant left employment for 1 day and was then rehired and is currently employed. She wants to take her money out of the 401k plan due to her being unemployed for that 1 day. She cannot take it though because she is now employed again, correct? No other in service withdrawal options would apply. Thanks
Santo Gold Posted November 2, 2021 Author Posted November 2, 2021 Could the participant have a legit argument that the plan document states that distributions can be made upon termination of employment. She did have a termination of employment. She was rehired, but in the SPD there is no mention of what happens if you are rehired. Therefore, since she did have a termination of employment, she had a distributable event and should be paid out?
rr_sphr Posted November 2, 2021 Posted November 2, 2021 https://retirementlc.com/sham-termination-of-employment-and-distributions/ Might depend on the circumstances of the termination and rehire....
Santo Gold Posted November 2, 2021 Author Posted November 2, 2021 That is interesting. The odd thing about what was referenced and this case is that this is a NHCE and there was no deception on the plan sponsor's part regarding the termination. Its possible that the employee quit and was counting on being rehired, in part to get her benefit. That would seem like a "sham termination" but the plan sponsor had no part in it.
chc93 Posted November 2, 2021 Posted November 2, 2021 Also, plan documents often provide that distributions to terminated participants would be done as soon as administratively feasible. Usually past practice will be looked at for reasonableness, and I don't think the next day after termination is reasonable. If the terminated employee is rehired before an administratively feasible time period, then I think he is out of luck. rr_sphr 1
EPCRSGuru Posted November 3, 2021 Posted November 3, 2021 Google "sham termination". It is edifying. Lisa.Q and rr_sphr 2
david rigby Posted November 4, 2021 Posted November 4, 2021 4 hours ago, EPCRSGuru said: Google "sham termination". It is edifying. In addition, search "sham termination" on these Message Boards. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
imchipbrown Posted November 4, 2021 Posted November 4, 2021 A real termination could be offered to clear up the confusion. Luke Bailey, David Schultz, Bill Presson and 1 other 2 2
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