truphao Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 A small CB Plan is terminating. 2 participants have elected deferred annuity. 3 participants with a balance of 5K did not return the forms. Cumulative value for those 5 is about 60K. Need a recommendation/reference/contact info who would underwrite this if anyone? What are the options if no insurance carrier is interested?
Peter Gulia Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 While I have no experience with using an annuity contract to resolve a defined-benefit plan’s obligation, I have heard that Annua sources placements of that kind. https://annua.com/ Further, one might check businesses that advertise on BenefitsLink. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Effen Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 We have had luck using Midland for small cash balance accounts. You can contact them directly (on behalf of the plan administrator) or use a broker. If you prefer a broker, PM me and I will supply contact information. CuseFan 1 The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
CuseFan Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 This can often be a HUGE headache (and very expensive) for small terminating DBPs and especially if they have a general lump sum option like CBPs. Those in the small plan space know that having ANY annuity insurer option is a godsend. Effen - is this Midland National Life Insurance Company in Iowa that you reference? I'd ask if they could satisfy the DOL's safest available annuity option requirement, but if they're the only option then they are also the safest option. I see they are well rated anyway. Do you know in which states they are licensed to write contracts? I briefly checked their website but couldn't find. I know New York is a problem state. Thanks Luke Bailey 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Effen Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, CuseFan said: I know New York is a problem state. Roger that! CuseFan 1 The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
CuseFan Posted November 18, 2022 Posted November 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Effen said: Roger that! but is that the company - Midland National in Iowa? Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
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