austin3515 Posted December 28, 2022 Posted December 28, 2022 Transmeroca sent out a piece indicating tha the IRS now requires W4R every time someone wants to increase their withholding. Can that be right?? Those forms are notoriously nonsensical. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
austin3515 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Posted December 28, 2022 https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/fw4r--2022.pdf OK it's not horrible but it's an extra piece of paper. I suppose maybe they want people to know what their marginal rate is when they make the election? OR will the Empower's and John Hancocks just modify their forms to avoid this? Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
pmacduff Posted December 28, 2022 Posted December 28, 2022 here is the John Hancock info I received: Changes to IRS forms and income-tax withholding Effective January 1, 2023, the IRS is mandating changes to the way John Hancock (payer) collects federal tax withholding information from plan participants (payees). The changes vary based on your plan type and the distribution type requested by the plan participant. Defined contribution plansFor nonperiodic payments that aren’t eligible for rollover (e.g., hardship distributions and required minimum distributions), participants may elect a federal tax withholding other than the default 10% (which remains the default if the form isn’t returned), including 0% withholding, by completing Form W-4R. For eligible rollover distributions, participants may elect a federal tax withholding greater than the default 20% (which remains the default if the form isn’t returned) by completing Form W-4R. Defined contribution form availabilityOur automated forms will be updated and available for use on January 3, 2023, the first business day in the new year. Visit the plan sponsor website to download the forms as needed. The prior versions of the forms will be accepted through March 31, 2023. Starting April 1, 2023, the old forms will no longer be valid and accepted. Defined benefit plansStarting January 1, 2023, all tax withholding information for defined benefit plans will be collected using IRS Form W-4P and Form W-4R. The new Form W-4P is completely revised and requires participants to input specific information to determine their federal tax withholding for periodic pension and annuity payments. Participants can still elect to have no federal tax withheld from these payments. Form W-4R will be used for nonperiodic payments and eligible rollover distributions in the same way as defined contribution plans (outlined above). Defined benefit form availabilityOur automated forms will be updated and available for use on January 3, 2023, the first business day in the new year. Visit the plan sponsor website to download the forms as needed. For periodic pension and annuity payments for participants whose paperwork was generated prior to January 3, 2023, John Hancock will accept the prior version of the form until January 31, 2023. If you have any questions or want additional information, please contact your John Hancock representative. CuseFan 1
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