thepensionmaven Posted August 18, 2023 Posted August 18, 2023 We recently took over a safe harbor 401(k)/profit sharing plan, new comparability, grp 1 officers and owners grp 2 all other eligible employees. There are 4 participants: owner (100%), spouse, adult son over 21 and one common law employee. The plan had passed 401(4) only because the son had not been treated as an HCE. Under IRC Section 318, am I off base here, or is not the adult son an HCE as well?
John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 The son of the owner is attributed the same ownership of the owner. If that’s over 5%, then the son is an HCE. If the son was not coded as an HCE and because of that miscoding, the plan passes, then try other testing options or provide the amounts needed to the true NHCE so it will pass, or do both. Luke Bailey 1
Bill Presson Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 And amend to everyone in their own group going forward. Luke Bailey and CuseFan 2 William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
CuseFan Posted August 21, 2023 Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 10:02 PM, John Feldt ERPA CPC QPA said: or provide the amounts needed to the true NHCE so it will pass with an 11g amendment - although you didn't say if this was just last year or ongoing for a number of prior years Bill Presson 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
thepensionmaven Posted August 22, 2023 Author Posted August 22, 2023 Last few years, was thinking of reallocation, and tell Hancock to reallocate what had already been contributed. At least deduction OK an no one over 415 limit.
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