austin3515 Posted September 8, 2023 Posted September 8, 2023 I've tried and failed to find out if an entity with no plan currently can adopt the Plan mid-year. Parent bought the stock recently, and are within the transition window but they want to add them mid-year, 2016-16 references amendments, but I think that's different then adding participating employers (i.e., adding a Participant Employer is not an amendment and so doing so is not covered by 2016-16). My own personal conclusion is as long as they are on by 10/1 it should be ok because they would be able to set up their own SH 401k plan in that scenario but I can't find anything at all on point. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
C. B. Zeller Posted September 8, 2023 Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, austin3515 said: adding a Participant Employer is not an amendment That is not necessarily a universally held opinion. The other point of view would be that the employer, i.e. the controlled group, has already adopted the plan, and while it may take the form of a participating employer agreement, it is really an amendment to allow a previously-excluded class to participate. That said, I don't think there is a problem with amending a safe harbor plan to bring in a class of previously-excluded employees mid-year, and I agree it would be advisable to do it before 10/1 to cover yourself under either interpretation. austin3515, Luke Bailey and CuseFan 3 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
austin3515 Posted September 9, 2023 Author Posted September 9, 2023 So much of what we do is semantics, right? LOL. Thanks!! Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
austin3515 Posted September 9, 2023 Author Posted September 9, 2023 Not sure why I kept typing "Participant Employer". I guess I type the word Participant so much my fingers are on autopilot! CuseFan 1 Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
CuseFan Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 There are worse words for your fingers to be on autopilot! austin3515 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
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