Dougsbpc Posted February 17, 2024 Posted February 17, 2024 Suppose you have a traditional 401(k) plan with about 20 participants. The plan document specifically states that salary deferral contributions in excess of 40% of Compensation are not permitted. In 2023 they had a participant with lower salary that funded salary deferrals of 70% of compensation. Since this is a violation of the plan I would think the extra 30% needs to be removed from the plan and refunded to the participant. Would the full 70% be included in the ADP test? I would think not because the plan specifically prohibits salary deferrals in excess of 40%. Does anyone agree / disagree? Thanks.
CuseFan Posted February 19, 2024 Posted February 19, 2024 NHCE? Why is there even a limit? What about a retro amendment to remove the limit (for NHCEs)? If you refund I think you exclude from ADP test if NHCE but not if HCE, but don't know that part for sure. Bird 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Bird Posted February 20, 2024 Posted February 20, 2024 18 hours ago, CuseFan said: NHCE? Why is there even a limit? What about a retro amendment to remove the limit (for NHCEs)? If you refund I think you exclude from ADP test if NHCE but not if HCE, but don't know that part for sure. Yeah, I kinda feel like this has to be enforced at the front end. If not...shrug. CuseFan 1 Ed Snyder
Paul I Posted February 20, 2024 Posted February 20, 2024 @Dougsbpc perchance, is the participant catch-up eligible (and does the plan allow catch-up contributions)? Grasping at straws, I ask because catch-up contributions have a universal availability requirement. Employees must have the effective opportunity to make the same dollar amount of catch-up contributions 1.414(v)-1(e)(1)(i), and the employer can only restrict the amount of compensation considered in calculating the catch-up contributions to the employee's compensation available after withholding for income and withholding taxes (where a limit of 75% of compensation is deemed to satisfy this requirement). If the participant is catch-up eligible, then the deferrals above the 40% limit (a plan limit) up to the catch-up dollar limit could be considered catch-up contributions. That would leave a chunk of cash in the participant's account. The catch-up amount would excluded in calculating the participant's ADP as would any excess that may be refunded.
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