luissaha Posted April 30, 2024 Posted April 30, 2024 Is there any provision in the Internal Revenue Code that prohibits voluntary, after-tax contributions to a DB plan? Put differently, the plan requires mandatory employee contributions based on age of entry. I'm asking if employees could voluntarily contribute additional after-tax amounts to accounts under the plan. Any insight would be appreciated.
C. B. Zeller Posted April 30, 2024 Posted April 30, 2024 Section 414(k) is still in the law but my understanding is that IRS does not approve any plans permitting those accounts in DB plans. Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
david rigby Posted April 30, 2024 Posted April 30, 2024 Ok, I'll bite. Why would anyone want voluntary after-tax contributions to a DB plan? What is the proposed method of tracking these amounts? Crediting any earnings? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
truphao Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 On 4/30/2024 at 1:25 PM, david rigby said: Ok, I'll bite. Why would anyone want voluntary after-tax contributions to a DB plan? What is the proposed method of tracking these amounts? Crediting any earnings? To be able to purchase an additional annuity upon retirement. You can credit either actual ROR for the Trust or the pre-determined rate like 5% for example. It is a design issue, every approach has pros and cons. I do have a municipal entity client that does exactly that, we are the actuaries, plan doc is handled by attorneys.
Susan L Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 Isn't that a CODA (it's voluntary and will reduce pay) and not permitted under the IRS guidance related to the pick-up requirements of 414(h)?
Susan L Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 22 minutes ago, truphao said: it is after-tax, not 414(h) It's the CODA part that's the problem.
truphao Posted May 1, 2024 Posted May 1, 2024 I apologize but I am not following, it was a rough day. Would you, please, elaborate on where do you see CODA?
Carol V. Calhoun Posted May 3, 2024 Posted May 3, 2024 So long as the contributions are after-tax and the plan language allows them, they are permitted. According to the IRS, in a defined benefit plan: Quote Generally, the employer makes most contributions. Sometimes, employee contributions are required, or voluntary contributions may be permitted. Trying to make them pre-tax would violate the rules regarding CODAs. However, a CODA is defined in Code section 401(k) as an arrangement: Quote under which a covered employee may elect to have the employer make payments as contributions to a trust under the plan on behalf of the employee In this case, the employee is not electing to have the employer make contributions; the employee is electing to make contributions themselves. truphao 1 Employee benefits legal resource site The opinions of my postings are my own and do not necessarily represent my law firm's position, strategies, or opinions. The contents of my postings are offered for informational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice. A visit to this board or an exchange of information through this board does not create an attorney-client relationship. You should consult directly with an attorney for individual advice regarding your particular situation. I am not your lawyer under any circumstances.
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