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Has anyone had this come up?

A 401(k) participant is a non-owner, 75 years old, still employed by the plan sponsor.  They take a direct rollover distribution to an IRA in 2024 of their entire $150,000.  They are still working, so no RMD is taken.

They continue to contribute to the plan during 2024 and at the end of the year they have a $5,000 balance.  They terminate on 12/15/2024.  Now an RMD is needed by 4/1/2024.  

Assume the balance on 1/1/2023 was $150,000.  I believe the RMD needed at 75 would be $6097, which is more than what is now in the 401(k) account.

Is the participant required to take the remaining $5000 in the account, plus take an additional $1097 from the rollover IRA by 4/1/2025?

Thank you.

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Whoops, yes that's incorrect.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I meant to say the balance on 12/31/2023 (for the 2024 RMD) was $150,000.

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And of course, I overlooked that it's still the 2024 minimum being paid based off 2023, so I do think they're going to have to recoup some of that IRA rollover to satisfy the RMD.  (And adjust the amount coming out of the IRA for earnings since it was an ineligible rollover contribution.  Hmmm, thinking out loud has me presuming only the "principal" amount coming from the IRA satisfies the RMD for the plan, like you couldn't count some of the earnings towards the RMD.)

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