Jakyasar Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 Hi If the employer is refusing to make the 3% non-elective safe harbor, what is the penalty or other issues? Tx
Popular Post Bri Posted July 23, 2024 Popular Post Posted July 23, 2024 oooh, I'll start with the easy one: Failure to follow the plan's written terms. Hopefully that triggers the "we don't have to be your TPA anymore" clause in the service agreement! Luke Bailey, Gina Alsdorf, Lou S. and 2 others 5
Popular Post truphao Posted July 23, 2024 Popular Post Posted July 23, 2024 operational failure in accordance with plan doc terms, potential failure of ADP/ACP, potential failure of TH test, and I hope a need to find another TPA Gina Alsdorf, Luke Bailey, Jakyasar and 2 others 5
Lou S. Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 Potential plan disqualification. acm_acm, Gina Alsdorf, Jakyasar and 1 other 4
david rigby Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Potential DOL audit? Jakyasar, Luke Bailey and Gina Alsdorf 3 I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Jakyasar Posted July 24, 2024 Author Posted July 24, 2024 I think they want to get disqualified, thankfully not my client, asking for someone else.
Popular Post Peter Gulia Posted July 24, 2024 Popular Post Posted July 24, 2024 Another consequence might be an unavailability of a professional—lawyer, accountant, actuary, enrolled retirement plan agent, third-party administrator, or otherwise. Some professionals might accept such a client if one is paid her advance retainer in an amount one estimates as enough to cover more time than one expects to work, after carefully considering the extra difficulties of working for a troublesome client. With the advance retainer periodically replenished, to avoid a risk of nonpayment for the next bit of work. Others might be unavailable no matter how big a fee one might earn. Luke Bailey, Paul I, acm_acm and 2 others 5 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Jakyasar Posted July 24, 2024 Author Posted July 24, 2024 Thank you all for your input. Peter, availability is there from all professionals, just that the client does not want to do it, I am told. No one can force the client until IRS and DoL steps in and things get out of hand. I have never seen anything like this in all my years.
Madison71 Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Someone probably asked, but assuming this is the previous plan year contribution and not a current plan year contribution - i.e., making it (or not) as they go.
Jakyasar Posted July 24, 2024 Author Posted July 24, 2024 Yes, for 2023 and they also refuse for 2024.
EBP Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 In addition to agreeing with others' comments, if the plan's safe harbor notice contained the language allowing suspension or reduction of safe harbor contributions mid-year with proper prior notice, I would suggest they at least amend the plan to suspend contributions prospectively (with at least 30 days' notice to participants and an effective date of the amendment that coincides with the expiration of the 30 days) to stop the bleeding in 2024, so to speak. They'd still be on the hook for the 2023 contribution and the 2024 contribution through the suspension date, but not for the rest of 2024 and not on an ongoing basis. And it sounds like they shouldn't have a safe harbor plan in the future anyway as they obviously don't understand it and aren't willing to comply with the requirements. On the downside, I suppose giving participants a notice highlights the fact that they were supposed to get a contribution. Side note - I assume that not making the contribution subjects them to ADP/ACP testing. Do they pass testing? If not, does the cost of fixing the ADP test mitigate the cost of SH contributions? I don't do testing, so thinking out loud about another possible approach. Luke Bailey and Jakyasar 2
Madison71 Posted July 25, 2024 Posted July 25, 2024 I agree with EBP's comments (and others). That's why I was asking the year the contributions were missed. At least they can stop the bleeding, but still on the hook for 2023 and partial 2024. They should have set-up a maybe safe harbor. The side note from EBP is key re: ADP/ACP testing....and speaking of keys - top-heavy as well? Luke Bailey 1
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