Santo Gold Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 An owner is selling his business. He will be paid in equal annual installments over the next 10 years, well over 6 figures each year. He will not be working for the new owners and will likely be retired. Would the income he receives from the sale over the next 10 years be considered passive income? He is asking whether he can set up a solo 401k for himself, create a sole prop business entity for himself and use the annual payment to him as a basis for funding a solo 401k plan. Is proceeds from a business sale considered passive income and prohibit him from using it for retirement plan purposes? Thank you
justanotheradmin Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, its probably a duck. That being said - there aren't enough details to know. The real question isn't "Are proceeds from the sale passive income?" It's "Will he(as an individual) have earned income at a sufficient level to make it worth starting a 401(k) plan?" The money he receives for the business sale - where is it being paid? to an LLC? to him personally? Etc? If it is actually going to an LLC or entity - what is going to be his personal earned income from that entity? Zero? For example - if he has a LLC with an S-Corp election, but no W-2, then he has no earned income. If he only receives a K-1 Form 1120S, then no earned income. If its a 1065 K-1, is there earned income reported on it? His CPA will need to tell you if he actually has earned income. Lou S. and Carike 2 I'm a stranger on the internet. Nothing I write is tax or legal advice. I'd like a witty saying here, but I don't have any. When in doubt, what does the plan document say?
Lou S. Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 It depends. Will any of the income be paid as earned income reported on a Schedule C and subject to SE taxes or will he maintain a corporation that will pay him a W-2 salary out of the incoming payments? Or will it all be recovery of basis and long term capital gains in the business? Probably need to talk to his accountant. if he's not going to have any Earned income or W-2 wages, then the answer is probably a hard no. If it's being paid as a "consulting fee" that he'll get a 1099-MISC and run it through a Schedule C or his corporation, it's probably yes. Carike and justanotheradmin 2
CuseFan Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 This is an accounting and tax planning question first and foremost (including whether the proceeds are capital gains) after which the retirement plan question could be answered. Carike 1 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
Dare Johnson Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 Earned income for retirement plan purposes must be for personal services performed. The sale of a business would generally be capital gains. Mainer and Carike 2
Santo Gold Posted November 14, 2024 Author Posted November 14, 2024 Thanks everyone. Great replies and information.
TFB3 Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 Generally, sale should’ve been structured as an asset sale and an ongoing consulting contract for transition, support and non compete. The asset sale is capital gain , the consulting would be self employed income.
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