austin3515 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3% SHNEC Safe Harbor Plan. Client wants to discontinue the SHNEC but a) the keys have already made substantial 401k, and b) they are top-heavy. Can we discontinue the SHNEC as of April 30th (after providing the 30 days notice of course) and coincidentally create a short plan year ending 4/30/2025, and remain on a 4/30 plan year end for the foreseeable future? I'll be darned if that doesn't work. I think it does... Otherwise he has to terminate the plan and everyone loses (because terminating is the only way to stop the top-heavy minimum). Of course all keys would be told to stop doing 401k (in fact I have made it my practice to exclude keys from the plan by design (I called it a top-heavy inoculation). Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
Lou S. Posted March 19 Posted March 19 I think you can create a short plan year as of 4/30 but then you don't have a 12 month year and would be subject to ACP testing for the short year so probably refunds with "substantial 401(k) and only 4/12 of 401(a)(17) limit". The 3% SNEC should cover your TH for the 4/30 year, unless some unusual things apply, then if all Key EEs stop making any 401(k) your TH minimum would be 0% if all key allocation rate is 0%.
austin3515 Posted March 19 Author Posted March 19 My understanding is there is an existential threat here, costs must be cut, and some ADP refunds is the least of anyone's concenrs. But 100% we need to run ADP testing. Glad you agree! I will propose this and if they are interested I'll probably submit this to ERISApedia Q&A service before I start doing amendments. But thanks!! Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
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