KaJay Posted yesterday at 01:35 PM Posted yesterday at 01:35 PM Questions: When a non-resident alien provides a 403(b)(9) non-electing church retirement plan with Form W-8BEN, indicating he/she is eligible for a reduction in federal withholding based on a treaty with the US (example: US - Canada Treaty), can the plan: 1. Simply accept the form and its claim or is there a particular review the plan must first do and what is the plan's ultimate liability to ensure the information is true? 2. Require 30% withholding on any distribution to a non-resident alien as a plan policy?
ERISA_Guy Posted yesterday at 02:42 PM Posted yesterday at 02:42 PM 1. the plan's liability is 1099 reporting (and withholding) errors -- the plan is liable for the tax if they get it wrong. The form has to pass the smell test, the plan must confirm the form info. 2. a "we don't check, we just withhold to be safe" policy doesn't work.
ESOP Guy Posted yesterday at 04:47 PM Posted yesterday at 04:47 PM What I can tell you if a Canadian has to file a return from Canada to get some part of the 30% refunded to them they will almost certainly have to hire an accountant in Canada who is a specialist in this kind of cross boarder taxes. And I know this from experience as I was part of mistakenly withholding 30% on a Canadian. It was such a difficult process for him to help keep goodwill with the client, who was a large client, we agreed to reimburse this guy for the cost of the accountant. In our case ESOPs delay payment long enough often times the person doesn't have W-2 income in the year of payment. So the filing was exclusively for this payment. I realize you tend to focus on the plan but if the client cares at all about their alumni are treated they might not care for a 30% withholding policy. I will leave it to others who know more to decide what the law says but we rarely question a W-8Ben if the client seems to agree the person is living on the other country and they should be paid based to an address in that country. KaJay 1
Peter Gulia Posted yesterday at 05:28 PM Posted yesterday at 05:28 PM A payer might check carefully whether a distributee’s withholding certificate: is completed according to the form and its instructions; is internally consistent; is logically consistent with facts known to the plan or its payer; does not present a statement the payer knows to be false; includes the supporting documentation the form or its instructions requires; shows nothing that suggests a false document or a forgery. Among other law sources, regulations to interpret and implement Internal Revenue Code of 1986 § 1441 are 26 C.F.R. §§ 1.1441-1 to -9. The table of contents for those sections is 26 C.F.R. § 1.1441-0, https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-26/section-1.1441-0. The rules are complex, detailed, and include many internal definitions. In general: “A withholding agent must withhold 30 percent of any payment of an amount subject to withholding made to a payee that is a foreign person unless it can reliably associate the payment with documentation upon which it can rely to treat the payment as made to a payee that is a U.S. person or as made to a beneficial owner that is a foreign person entitled to a reduced rate of withholding.” 26 C.F.R. § 1.1441-1(b)(1), https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-26/part-1/section-1.1441-1#p-1.1441-1(b)(1). Also, a payer might maintain a table or list with each nation’s income tax treaty withholding rate. Some payers’ systems integrate this in the distribution-processing software. Consider that applying 30% withholding without checking whether the distributee properly claims lesser withholding might deprive the distributee of a right under applicable law or the plan. This is not advice to anyone. KaJay 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
Peter Gulia Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago A retirement plan’s administrator or its service provider might prefer to act carefully to maintain a participant’s or beneficiary’s respect and good will. Doing so calls for at least respecting a proper claim for withholding at a treaty’s rate (including, if applicable, a zero). That might help a distributee avoid an otherwise unnecessary tax return. Many church plans provide communications to help a participant or beneficiary become aware of treaty-claiming opportunities. If a plan’s administrator or its service provider sees that a claim specifies a non-U.S. address but does not include a Form W-8BEN, someone might ask the claimant whether the omission is deliberate or inadvertent. A review of a withholding certificate typically does not investigate whether its statements of fact are true, but does check whether the administrator or payer knows a statement to be false or inconsistent with the plan’s records. While I am known for writing plan provisions beyond the norms, I doubt a mere plan provision could grant a § 403(b) plan’s insurer, § 403(b)(7) custodian, or § 403(b)(9) retirement income account administrator a power to withhold from a nonalienable distribution more U.S. Federal income tax than applicable law commands. Might it be simplest to follow the tax law rules? This is not advice to anyone. KaJay 1 Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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