Towanda Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 We are taking on a new client that adopted an individually designed plan in 2009. It was never updated beyond that date. Furthermore, the existing document is questionable, and there is no determination letter. The client is not interested in going through VCP because the new fee structure along with the fees we would be charging to correct are too costly. I am not comfortable taking on a client whose document is out of compliance. At the very least, I feel we should go through all of the steps you would go through if you were going to submit the document through VCP. Then leave it up to them to file the submission. What is our culpability if they fail to submit? What have others done in this situation? Thanks!
david rigby Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, Towanda said: … the existing document is questionable, and there is no determination letter. First, verify if the plan even exists. I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Towanda Posted September 13, 2018 Author Posted September 13, 2018 We have the document. When I say it's questionable, I mean I have never seen a document with some of the language I see in this one.
david rigby Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Might it require a DL within X time, otherwise the plan is deemed to be void? I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Towanda Posted September 13, 2018 Author Posted September 13, 2018 There's another issue . . . It may very well be that we would have to restate their existing document onto a pre-approved document for that era. I would have to contact the IRS about that. We're not talking about a small problem here.
Bill Presson Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Whatever you do, don't make the client's problem, your problem. Help them solve their problem and lay out the solutions. Big problems come with big price tags. It's not your fault the client didn't do what they should have done over the years. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
Towanda Posted September 13, 2018 Author Posted September 13, 2018 You're right . . . I think we either get them to commit to bringing their document into compliance or send them on their way. Bill Presson 1
Larry Starr Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Bill Presson said: Whatever you do, don't make the client's problem, your problem. Help them solve their problem and lay out the solutions. Big problems come with big price tags. It's not your fault the client didn't do what they should have done over the years. This is an easy one and Bill has given you the track to run on. You tell them what to do; that's why they came to you. If they don't take your advice, they are NOT your client and you say thank, but no thanks. It is just that simple. Bill Presson 1 Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
shERPA Posted September 14, 2018 Posted September 14, 2018 Yes to what Larry and Bill say. Big difference between an employer who has problems but wants to comply and one with problems and doesn't want to comply. The latter don't make good clients, they eventually turn into really bad former clients who badmouth you, and they can also turn into expensive plaintiffs it if all goes sideways while on your watch. Bill Presson 1 I carry stuff uphill for others who get all the glory.
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