BG5150 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 We have a company that would like to have each year's PS contribution to be on a separate vesting schedule. It would be a 4-yr cliff. Assume no Top Heavy. So, it would look something like this: 2019 contrib fully vests 2023 2020 contrib fully vests 2024 2021 contrib fully vests 2025, etc. I don't think this is possible due to the minimum vesting standards. For example, someone hired in 2019 has 4 years service in 2023, so the 2020 contribution would have to be 100% vested for that person in 2023, not 2024. Is there any way around it? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
CuseFan Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 Class year vesting was eliminated a long time ago - there was a discussion on that here within the last month or so. The only way to do that would be to adopt a brand new plan every year and exclude service before the plan's effective date, but 4-year cliff still wouldn't be permitted, and I'm sure IRS would have big issues with this when they caught up with you anyway. Bill Presson and hr for me 2 Kenneth M. Prell, CEBS, ERPA Vice President, BPAS Actuarial & Pension Services kprell@bpas.com
jpod Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 A possible, but complicated, way around it was discussed in the prior string which CuseFan mentioned. It might work for NHCEs and/or very modest contemplated per-person contributions, but other than that I would stay away from it.
Tom Poje Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 we had one union plan (thank heavens no more) that had a limited modified cliff vesting, but that is as close to cliff vesting as I have seen. of course the software couldn't handle it...
Larry Starr Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, BG5150 said: We have a company that would like to have each year's PS contribution to be on a separate vesting schedule. It would be a 4-yr cliff. Assume no Top Heavy. So, it would look something like this: 2019 contrib fully vests 2023 2020 contrib fully vests 2024 2021 contrib fully vests 2025, etc. I don't think this is possible due to the minimum vesting standards. For example, someone hired in 2019 has 4 years service in 2023, so the 2020 contribution would have to be 100% vested for that person in 2023, not 2024. Is there any way around it? I tell my employees all the time: it's ok to tell clients NO when that is the answer. In this case, that is the answer. Usually, they just say "oh, ok". Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
BG5150 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Posted January 3, 2019 thanks, all QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
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