Jeff Young Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Facts: Company A and Company B are members of a controlled group and they adopt one single 401K plan with profit sharing discretionary component. Can each company pass a separate resolution to fund a different profit sharing percentage each year. Company A 3% and Company B 0% or some other %?
Mr Bagwell Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Another thing to be aware of is coverage testing. If the plans need each other to pass coverage, the separate profit sharing could be a problem.
Luke Bailey Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 Of course, Mike is correct that the plan language must at least allow for that, but in these situations we always write the plan that way. In other words, if, as is common, a controlled group has a single plan, the plan document should contain language that the contribution obligations for each company's employees are the financial obligation of their separate employer. Compensation is determined employer-by-employer, the tax deduction belongs to the employer, and based on different goals and financial performance, each employer may want to have different contribution rates. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Below Ground Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 Most likely not, since a controlled group is still a single employer plan. You can, however, get around this rather easily by using a New Comparability Formula. This would allow you to define the "separate companies" to each constitute a group for a specific allocation rate. I suggest this removes all questionable coverage and operational compliance concerns, other than the need to pass testing for the rate groups. Having braved the blizzard, I take a moment to contemplate the meaning of life. Should I really be riding in such cold? Why are my goggles covered with a thin layer of ice? Will this effect coverage testing? QPA, QKA
Luke Bailey Posted July 22, 2019 Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Below Ground said: Most likely not, since a controlled group is still a single employer plan. You can, however, get around this rather easily by using a New Comparability Formula. This would allow you to define the "separate companies" to each constitute a group for a specific allocation rate. I suggest this removes all questionable coverage and operational compliance concerns, other than the need to pass testing for the rate groups. Below Ground, my answer assumed separate testing of each group, of course. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
Below Ground Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 Mr. Bailey, you were writing your post at exactly the same time I was writing mine. Right before I posted my reply, your post was listed. Yes, I would automatically assume you fully understood the issue; of course. Having braved the blizzard, I take a moment to contemplate the meaning of life. Should I really be riding in such cold? Why are my goggles covered with a thin layer of ice? Will this effect coverage testing? QPA, QKA
Luke Bailey Posted July 23, 2019 Posted July 23, 2019 OK, thanks Below Ground. And of course as I think your response implied, if each group separately meets 410(b), you can just test as separate plans, so could simply have different percentages for each company even without new comparability. Luke Bailey Senior Counsel Clark Hill PLC 214-651-4572 (O) | LBailey@clarkhill.com 2600 Dallas Parkway Suite 600 Frisco, TX 75034
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