Julia C Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 I had been asked to calculate the 50 J&S for Money Purchase Plan participants. I did not find any actuarial equivalent provisions in the plan document. What mortality and interest rate should I use?
Effen Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 What specifically does the document say about the 50 J&S Option? The material provided and the opinions expressed in this post are for general informational purposes only and should not be used or relied upon as the basis for any action or inaction. You should obtain appropriate tax, legal, or other professional advice.
Julia C Posted April 28, 2020 Author Posted April 28, 2020 The monthly annuity shall be provided through an annuity contract purchased by the Plan from a licensed insurance company. This is all I found regarding this matter.
AndyH Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 All you can do is estimate it in a reasonable manner, and clearly explain that it is only an estimate, and that final numbers will be based on final market rates. One option for an estimate would be to use this site, which I have used for years for rough estimates: https://www.immediateannuities.com/ Luke Bailey 1
Bri Posted April 28, 2020 Posted April 28, 2020 In a DC plan you can't self-annuitize, so as Andy mentions, the insurer you prudently choose gets to control those factors. Luke Bailey 1
Julia C Posted April 28, 2020 Author Posted April 28, 2020 Thank you. I never deal with DC plans in that matter before.
imchipbrown Posted April 29, 2020 Posted April 29, 2020 I've never had anyone opt for an annuity but have needed to provide the estimates before. One "comforting" tool is the Schwab Income Annuity Estimation at https://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/investing/accounts_products/investment/annuities/income_annuity/fixed_income_annuity_calculator Luke Bailey 1
AndyH Posted April 29, 2020 Posted April 29, 2020 Actually both of these sites calculate Joint & 100% but neither appear to calculate Joint & 50%. Luke Bailey 1
C. B. Zeller Posted April 29, 2020 Posted April 29, 2020 If the site will give you single life APRs and a 100% J&S APR, you could use those to calculate the 50% APR. Just let me dust off my life contingencies notes here ... Ax = Single life APR for life aged x Ay = Single life APR for life aged y Axy = Joint life APR for lives aged x and y 100J&S = Ax + Ay - Axy Axy = Ax + Ay - 100J&S 50J&S = Ax + 0.5*(Ay - Axy) = Ax + 0.5*Ay - 0.5*[Ax + Ay - 100J&S] = Ax + 0.5*Ay - 0.5*Ax - 0.5*Ay + 0.5*100J&S = 0.5*Ax + 0.5*100J&S = 0.5*(Ax + 100J&S) So, take your primary annuitant's single life APR, add the 100% J&S APR, and divide that by 2 and you should get the 50% J&S APR. I spot checked this with a few randomly selected ages and mortality/interest assumptions from my software. AndyH, Mike Preston and imchipbrown 1 2 Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance. Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA Preferred Pension Planning Corp.corey@pppc.co
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