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I'm working on a plan with 109 employees. Among 109 employees only 48 employees entered into the plan (Plan Requirements:- 21 Year age, 1 Year of service) and received Safe Harbor Non Elective Contribution. 

Should i use Form 5500-SF or 5500 Large? What is the parameter for this plan 48 eligible employees or 109 employees?

Can anyone explain 100 participants rule for 5500-SF filling, i'm confused?

 

Thanks in advanced. 

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Generally a plan with more than 100 participants on the first day of the year is required to file the long-form 5500. There is an exception for plans with no more than 120 participants; if they were eligible to file 5500-SF in the prior year then they may continue to file 5500-SF.

Participants is generally the sum of active participants (current employees who have met the plan's minimum age and service conditions), plus inactive participants (terminated employees with vested balances, retirees currently receiving payments, and beneficiaries of deceased participants).

You should read the instructions to the 5500-SF for more information. Specifically the "Who may file 5500-SF" section and the instructions for line 5.

Free advice is worth what you paid for it. Do not rely on the information provided in this post for any purpose, including (but not limited to): tax planning, compliance with ERISA or the IRC, investing or other forms of fortune-telling, bird identification, relationship advice, or spiritual guidance.

Corey B. Zeller, MSEA, CPC, QPA, QKA
Preferred Pension Planning Corp.
corey@pppc.co

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First plan year:  More than 99 participants(**) at the beginning of the year:  5500(*).  99 or less:  5500-SF(*)

After the first year, use 80-120 rule.  That rule says, if you file an SF, you can continue to do so until the BOY participant count is under 120. When the participant count (again, at BOY) goes over 119, then you must file Form 5500 with an audit.  If you are filing a 5500, you continue to do so until the BOY participant count goes below 100; then at 99 or less, you can shift to and SF.  However, you can still file the 5500 if you want, until the participant count goes below 80; then you HAVE to file an SF.

(*) When I say 5500 or 5500-SF, I really mean large plan filer and small plan filer, respectively.  Large plan filers must get an independent auditor's report and have it attached tot he 5500 filing.  Small plan filers, as long as they qualify for audit relief, do not.  However, a small plan filer may have to file From 5500 (with Shed I instead of Shed H and the audit) due to a variety of reasons.

(**) Participants does not mean Employees.  A participant for the 5500 series means anybody who was eligible for any component of the plan at BOY or EOY.  PLUS any former Employees who have a benefit due under the plan.  This includes eligible participants who may choose not to contribute and may have a zero balance. An Active participant is simply someone who was still employed at BOY and/or EOY.

 

I have a client that has about 950 employees, but only 7 participants because the vast majority of employees work less than 1,000 hours a year and thus never became eligible for the plan.

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

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20 hours ago, BG5150 said:

I have a client that has about 950 employees, but only 7 participants because the vast majority of employees work less than 1,000 hours a year and thus never became eligible for the plan.

Has there been any discussion as to how the long-term-part-time participants are going to effect employers with similar demographics?  It is my understanding that even though the LTPT participants are not counted for coverage, they are counted for determining if the plan will require an audit.  

Is this the case, and if so, any speculation on the rules being modified to allow a plan like this to operate as a small plan filer?

Thanks.

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Side note:  does anyone know if the idea of large/small plan threshold being determined by account balances has any traction?   I remember reading about it a year or two ago.

QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPA

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.

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38 minutes ago, BG5150 said:

Side note:  does anyone know if the idea of large/small plan threshold being determined by account balances has any traction?   I remember reading about it a year or two ago.

It was part of the 2016 proposed 5500 changes.  Counting participants based on account balance rather than just being eligible was a trade off for the increased reporting and data collection on Schedule H.  Congress did not appropriate funding to to do anything beyond the proposed changes, and the proposal died on the vine with the change of administrations (as usual).

On 7/25/2020 at 10:59 AM, Gilmore said:

Has there been any discussion as to how the long-term-part-time participants are going to effect employers with similar demographics?  It is my understanding that even though the LTPT participants are not counted for coverage, they are counted for determining if the plan will require an audit.  

Is this the case, and if so, any speculation on the rules being modified to allow a plan like this to operate as a small plan filer?

There has been discussion, but since we have several years before the first return is due, it is low on the priority list when compared to Covid, MEP/PEP, etc.  

 

 

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