Pammie57 Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 Client acquired another practice in 2016. They did not give credit for prior service with prior employer for purposes of vesting, etc. Three doctors attained NRA (which is age 55 in this plan) during their employment with Client. However, all of them worked less than 5 years before either retiring, quitting, etc. Would they still be 100% since they met NRA while employed? Plan document just has checked "specific age" age 55 - doesn't have the age/participation box checked. So I am just asking if you agree that they would be 100% based on that? It's a LOT of money as they fund their Profit Sharing every year. Thanks!
Bird Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, Pammie57 said: So I am just asking if you agree that they would be 100% based on that? yes MWeddell 1 Ed Snyder
Larry Starr Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 11:59 AM, Pammie57 said: Client acquired another practice in 2016. They did not give credit for prior service with prior employer for purposes of vesting, etc. Three doctors attained NRA (which is age 55 in this plan) during their employment with Client. However, all of them worked less than 5 years before either retiring, quitting, etc. Would they still be 100% since they met NRA while employed? Plan document just has checked "specific age" age 55 - doesn't have the age/participation box checked. So I am just asking if you agree that they would be 100% based on that? It's a LOT of money as they fund their Profit Sharing every year. Thanks! Of course they are 100% vested; you said that in your message. They reached NRA while working, your plan fully vests at NRA. What is the issue? "Will they STILL be 100% vested"; if they ARE 100% vested, they remain so. Did you mean to ask "Do they BECOME 100% vested"? And the answer is still YES. Does that help at all? Pammie57 1 Lawrence C. Starr, FLMI, CLU, CEBS, CPC, ChFC, EA, ATA, QPFC President Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. 46 Daggett Drive West Springfield, MA 01089 413-736-2066 larrystarr@qpc-inc.com
david rigby Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 As support to Larry's comment, the original questioner may benefit by reading IRC 411 (Minimum Vesting Standards). Specifically, see the first sentence of 411(a), and then see the definition in paragraph (8). https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/411 Pammie57 1 I'm a retirement actuary. Nothing about my comments is intended or should be construed as investment, tax, legal or accounting advice. Occasionally, but not all the time, it might be reasonable to interpret my comments as actuarial or consulting advice.
Pammie57 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Posted August 24, 2020 Yes I meant do they become 100% vesting. and YES is a good answer.
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