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Here's my two cents on the OP's question. Taking into account the facts @Santo Gold has provided and assuming they are accurate, the plan administrator may want to do the following: Wait for a claim to be filed (see @Peter Gulia) or a request for information is made. If a potential beneficiary or estate representative makes a claim or requests information, the plan should provide them the information required for them to make a viable claim. Here, the proper question is being asked in the OP. The company must take care regarding who is actually entitled to receive communications or information about the benefit. Under the terms of the plan as quoted above (assuming the Adoption Agreement does not have a specific provision), the plan can only provide information to the decedent’s spouse, child, or estate representative. The plan must ensure that it gets any and all necessary documentation to identify that it is providing any detailed benefit information to a person who is authorized under the plan to receive that information. Perhaps, the first thing that should be requested from a person who states they are going to make a claim is for them to provide the plan a copy of the decedent’s death certificate. Usually if that person is a spouse, child, or estate representative, they should have access to the decedent’s death certificate. If they cannot provide one, we have advised plans to simply provide them the Plan’s SPD and point them to the provisions as to how to make a claim. Then tell them that to make a claim they need to provide a copy of the death certificate and documents supporting their status as a beneficiary (i.e., under the OP’s plan: the spouse—marriage certificate with decedent as spouse, child—birth certificate with decedent as parent, estate rep—letters testamentary, of administration, or of authority, depending on state law, etc.). If using a small estate affidavit, we would require an original notarized affidavit, certified by the clerk of court of the decedent’s last county/parish of primary residence, certified or long-form death certificate, government-issued photo ID, and proof of relationship (the plan would then request their attorney determine if the affidavit meet's applicable state law). In conjunction with these actions, the plan administrator, at a minimum, should check its other plan records for helpful information (e.g., group term life plans, welfare plans etc. for dependent or beneficiary info, if any) and have someone obtain a copy of the decedent’s obituary, which normally is available online and would list the decedent’s living relatives, if any. If there is a question concerning whether a spouse exists or an individual is the legal spouse, the plan administrator could also do a search of the marriage and divorce records in the county or parish in which the decedent had their primary residence. The clerk of court in that county or parish usually has a digital database that can be searched or procedures to request certified copies of these records. In some states, state vital records offices can provide one or both of the certificates. Also some states have services such as VitalChek, which partners with state and local government agencies to provide these documents. Searches for potential children are more complex and might be impractical. If the plan receives any information indicating there may be multiple beneficiaries or conflicting claims, it may want to notify the other potential beneficiary(ies) that a claim has been made for these benefits and they may wish to file a claim. They might not… we have had instances where a beneficiary did not make a claim for benefits for which they were the rightful recipient, attempting to bypass the tax consequences (e.g., a spouse did not want the benefit but wanted it to go to their children (a disclaimer in that instance would not have achieved that effect)) and the plan could not make the distribution based on the children’s claim for benefits (first, it had actual knowledge there was a spouse and, second, even if the spouse was considered deceased, the benefit would have went to the estate and not the children). Once the proper recipient of the plan account balance has been determined, the plan would notify the individual (or the executor, if it’s the estate) that they have the right to the benefit and give them the information they would need to apply for benefits to commence (copy of SPD and/or distribution forms) or detailing their abilities to leave money in the plan and when the latest date they can take a distribution. Depending on who is determined to be the proper recipient, the plan should request Social Security numbers and/or IRS Form W-9. Caution--Any distributions paid to the executor of an estate should be made payable to “[Name of Executor], as Executor of Estate of [Name of Employee]” or simply to “Estate of [Name of Employee]” (or a similar variation or a variation required by your plan recordkeeper). Any distributions paid to the deceased’s heirs under a small estate affidavit should be divided among the named heirs and paid directly to each of them. While the IRS rules normally allow beneficiaries to elect to rollover a qualified plan death benefit to an IRA (to avoid withholding taxes on the distribution), neither an estate nor the heirs listed in a small estate affidavit can elect a rollover distribution. The key legal proposition here is that ERISA Section 514(a) explicitly preempts state laws that “relate to” an employee benefit plan that is subject to ERISA, with limited exceptions for certain insurance, banking, and securities laws. Courts have interpreted this preemption language to mean that any state law that refers directly to an employee benefit plan, or that bears indirectly on an employee benefit plan, is not enforceable against an ERISA-governed employee benefit plan. See Egelhoff v. Egelhoff (essence--terms of the plan govern). The only state law that should be consulted is the law that supports the claimant’s status as spouse, child or executor/administrator/estate rep. FWIW, if a plan that has an order of precedence for designating beneficiaries as set forth in the TSP as noted above were presented to us by a client, we would vehemently recommend immediately amending that provision. Our view is that in no way should a plan take on the responsibility of making legal decisions under any state law. If the question is of immediate concern, like here, and we would not amend the provision to cover the instant decision, we would try to find a way to throw this into court and/or make someone else make the legal determination. (Note that the determination of who should receive these amounts under the laws of descent and distribution is the executor of the decedent’s estate.) Also, the plan administrator should ensure that they checked the plan terms to see if any employer contribution (matching, profit sharing, or other non-elective contribution) is due to the employee for the year of death. Some plans require that an employee normally be employed on December 31 or have completed 1,000 hours of service during the year to receive an employer contribution, but often those requirements are waived if the employee dies while employed. Also, confirm that the account uses the proper vesting as death often accelerates vesting. Not advice, just my two cents (does this idiom still have meaning as the penny is no longer being minted?)
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I have only set up a QRP when the owner is limited by 415 on plan termination and cannot be allocated the excess. Most plan documents allow for the allocation of assets in a non discriminatory manner on plan termination. Whether you need an amendment to allow for the maximum deductible contribution made prior to December 31, 2025 depends on whether the amount contributed during the year is less than the allowable maximum or not.
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I'm not so sure about that. For a one-participant plan, it should be very easy to increase the benefit (it's not already in pay-status, is it?). The increase does not have to absorb the entire amount of the excess funding; just do an amendment that increases the benefit by 5%, or 8% or whatever percent gets about 80% (for example) of the excess. Since 415 limit appears to be irrelevant, choose whatever increase you want. Assuming a lump sum payment that is rolled into participant's IRA, that "protects" more of the total dollars. Alternatively, if you put all the excess in QRP, the same protection does not apply, because it's not yet allocated, and might not be fully allocated for a few years. What happens if the participant dies six months after the transfer to QRP?
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Notice of Adverse Interest - Claim - Cover Letter 02-12-2026.docxNotice of Adverse Claim-Interest - DSG edits 12-08-2025.docxResponse to blguest. I am not sure that you are not conflating the rights of a beneficiary who is named, vel non, to receive the balance in a defined contribution account and the rights of an Alternate Payee whose benefit is defined by a QDRO and may equal all or a portion of the funds in the account. In the case of an ERISA qualified Plan the Pension Protection Act of 2006 permits a post mortem (posthumous) QDRO to be entered and implemented. See paragraph "(c)"- https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-XXV/subchapter-D/part-2530/subpart-C/section-2530.206#p-2530.206(a) This is also true of some state plans including the Maryland State Retirement and Pension System. So you would think that you would have a conflict between the beneficiary (however identified) and the prospective Alternate Payee, but I have never found that to be the case. The Alternate Payee seems to win in all PPA of 2006 cases, even if the QDRO is pending (not signed by the Court, not submitted to the Plan Administrator, not qualified by the Plan Administrator). Maybe I didn't get the Memo. If there is authority addressing such a conflict I would love to see it. Note to the attorney for a prospective Alternate Payee to send a Notice of Adverse Claim/Interest to the Plan Administrators of every Plan in play with copies filed with the Court. Will it do any good? I don't know. It makes them nervous. See attached. See Thomas v. Sutherland at https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1601430218420084129&q=Thomas+v.+Sutherland+&hl=en&as_sdt=20006 Yale-New Haven Hospital v. Nicholls, 788 F.3d 79, 85 (2d Cir. 2015) Miletello v. R M R Mechanical Inc., 921 F.3d 493 (USCA 5th Cir. 2019) cited Yale-New Haven Hospital v. Nicholls, supra. Griffin v. Griffin, 62 Va. App. 736, 753 S.E.2d 574 (2014) - https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=5601932368354380870&q=griffin+v.+griffin&hl=en&as_sdt=4,47. Rivera v. Lew, District of Columbia Court of Appeals, On Certification from the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, Case No. 14-SP-117, 99 A.3d 269 (2014), AND Crosby v. Crosby, 986 F. 2d 79 - Court of Appeals, 4th Circuit 1993 David
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If a Key EE has a CB benefit and a DC account, yes. The Q&A below are from a Wolters Kluwer (ftwilliam) webinar on top heavy in 2013. Also, it looks like they are of the opinion that a non-key in both the frozen DB and the DC needs 5% for TH. Looking at the regulations, they say "covered" by a defined benefit plan, not "benefiting" in a plan, so it does look like it's 5% for non-keys who are in both plans. If some were excluded from the CB (like maybe non-owner/non-key HCEs) they would only be entitled to 3%. Q. How are frozen plans treated for purposes of the top-heavy rules? A. For purposes of section 416, a frozen plan is one in which benefit accruals have ceased but all assets have not been distributed to participants or their beneficiaries. Such plans are treated, for purposes of the top-heavy rules, as any non-frozen plan. That is, such plans must provide minimum contributions or benefit accruals, limit the amount of compensation which can be taken into account in providing benefits, and provide top-heavy vesting. Note that a frozen defined contribution plan may not be required to provide additional contributions because of the rule in section 416(c)(2)(B). Q. An employer sponsors both a DB and DC Plan and the TH minimum is provided in the DC Plan. If the DB Plan accruals are frozen, what is the TH minimum % required in the DC Plan? A. Frozen plans continue to be subject to the top-heavy rules (typically, top heavy minimum of 5% of compensation is provided by the defined contribution plan - see slide 35).
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Would we still test the plans combined?
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Correction of Late Safe Harbor Matching Contributions Required?
Bri replied to kmhaab's topic in 401(k) Plans
You're spot on, actually. Failure to follow the plan document, for starters.... -
One lifer DB plan. Plan frozen/terminated 12/31/2025 with perfect funding with excess, if any, going to qualified replacement plan (QRP). Client did not tell me about additional contributions made during 2025, simply forgot. Big amount too. Now have quite an excess but lumpsum still under 415 limit. Solutions for retroactive amendments? Amend to have a retroactive benefit increase Amend from QRP allocation to participant allocation Any thoughts? Thanks
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A situation that can become an infinite loop when a claim is in the wings but is not ripe to be made. For example, a QDRO-in-waiting that has not yet been submitted for qualification because a sponsor/participant's estate (which has already submitted letters testamentary to the TPA and stands in the shoes of the deceased sponsor/participant), cannot get the TPA to provide a current account statement. I have a client with that very issue right now (you may recall I'm a QDRO lawyer). Trustee sponsor/participant of very small plan dies after the court enters a property settlement, scant paper records in the decedent's estate, no copy of an executed beneficiary form; estate counsel pretty much ERISA-clueless. Sponsor company has a DC plan TPA'd by one firm, and a cash balance plan administered by another TPA. The cash balance TPA won't pony up a current account statement to the estate administrator/PR, so neither the estate nor the alternate payee for that plan can ascertain what exactly is there that is divisible between the estate and the alternate payee. Then, instead of providing a current account statement and their QDRO procedures document, the TPA decides, unbidden, to retain its own counsel to write a QDRO for the alternate payee (!), which, shocker, does not allocate the full components of the benefit, though nothing in the plan document prevents full allocation. (Of course, I would not allow my client to sign such an abomination.) Additionally, the cash balance TPA's benefit statement from several years ago (the only statement the estate has), is labeled for the sponsor's DC plan (the one administered by a different TPA), includes a single line item for the cash balance plan without identifying that plan as distinct from the entire rest of the statement. This is not a small-estate matter and there is likely 500k+ in the participant's hypothetical account. In 30 years of practice, I have never seen a TPA screw up this badly. I'm counting the misrepresentations, fiduciary breaches, and prohibited transactions, and wondering when they'll stop shooting themselves in the foot before I sue their pants off, as they're not listening to reason. Thank the stars original poster Santo Gold has the wits to ask their learned colleagues here for their thoughts when unsure.
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You’re right to be cautious — anytime a 401(k) (especially a self-directed one) starts leveraging plan-owned real estate, prohibited transaction (PT) and UBIT issues immediately come into play. A loan secured solely by plan assets can be permissible if it’s a true non-recourse loan (no personal guarantees, no outside collateral, no indirect benefit to disqualified persons). But if the owners personally guarantee the loan, pledge outside assets, receive indirect benefit, or the brokerage firm earns fees/commissions tied to plan property, that would likely trigger a prohibited transaction under IRC §4975. Even if structured correctly, debt-financed real estate inside a qualified plan can generate Unrelated Debt-Financed Income (UDFI), which may create UBIT filing and tax obligations. Given they’re the only participants (and disqualified persons), the scrutiny risk is higher. This is absolutely a situation where a qualified ERISA attorney or specialized TPA review is essential before proceeding — the structure matters more than the concept.
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DSG, in circumstances like those Santo Gold describes, it can be proper for an ERISA-governed plan’s administrator to wait until a claimant has submitted a claim. Then, the plan’s administrator (or its claims administrator, if the plan has such an allocation of fiduciary responsibilities) evaluates the claim. To do so, a fiduciary would follow the documents governing the plan (which almost universally include a default-beneficiary provision, often like the one Santo Gold quotes above), and would follow the plan’s written claims procedure.
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If the primary beneficiary predeceased the Participant, the first question is who is the next in line to inherit. I most (?) Plans there is a order of precedence that will look something like this: Designated Beneficiary: As stated in a signed, witnessed writing. Widow/Widower: Spouse. Children: Children and descendants of deceased children. Parents: Surviving parents. Executor/Administrator: Executor or administrator of the estate. Next of Kin: Under state law It appears that ERISA does not set forth a statutory order of precedence, but TSP does: 1. To your spouse; 2. If none, to your child or children equally, and to descendants of deceased children by representation; 3. If none, to your parents equally or to the surviving parent; 4. If none, to the appointed executor or administrator of your estate; or 5. If none, to your next of kin who would be entitled to your estate under the laws of the state in which you resided at the time of your death. and your state law will have a similar statute for intestate succession. In Maryland this is set forth in the following sections of the Estates and Trust Volume of the Maryland Code. § 3–101. Property of estate not allocated by will § 3–102. Share of surviving spouse or domestic partner § 3–103. Division of net estate among surviving issue § 3–104. Absence of surviving issue § 3–105. Absence of heirs § 3–106. Advancements against shares § 3–107. After-born children of decedent § 3–108. Inheritance by parent or parent's relations § 3–109. Relation to decedent through two lines § 3–110. Survival requirements § 3–111. Surviving parents not entitled to distribution from child's estate § 3–112. Parents not entitled to distribution from abandoned child's estate Once you figure out who the beneficiary(ies) will be, then you need to determine how to get the money to them. Usually a family member will have opened an estate and you will deal with the Executor or Personal Representative of the estate. If you know the identity of the beneficiary(ies) and they know they have money coming their way, they will quickly open the estate. If that doesn't work our you need to talk to the Register of Will or the Orphan's Court, whatever they call it, and ask them what to do. And of course you need to contact a local estates and trust lawyer. Of course you cannot keep the money. And of course you need to monitor your Participants and make sure they have designated a beneficiary so this problem does not occur in the future. And of course you should add an order of precedence to the Plan. .
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I'm looking into whether correction under ECPRS is required in this situation and want to make sure I'm not missing something. A Safe Harbor plan makes Traditional Safe Harbor Matching Contributions. The AA says the safe harbor matching contributions are based on salary deferrals for the Payroll Period, instead of the Plan Year. The Basic Plan Document says the safe harbor matching contributions must be deposited into the Plan by the last day of the Plan Year quarter following the Plan Year Quarter for which the salary deferrals were made if the employer uses a period other than the Plan Year, which I believe reflects the regs. In operation, the plan has been depositing the safe harbor matching contributions into the plan at the end of the year - not be the end of the following quarter. I believe this is an operational failure under ECPRS and must be corrected? The correction method being adjusting participants for lost earnings from the date the safe harbor matching contributions should have been contributed to the actual date they were contributed? But the plan sponsor and recordkeeper see no issue, say the plan has been operating like this for a long time, and they have no concerns - Am I missing something?? TIA.
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I don't think that's a requirement that goes away once it applies, and I expect you had PS here too, so TH did apply. I don't see how you could have a TH combo plan and then freeze CB/stop PS and then avoid TH going forward, that does not make sense to me. Since no one is benefitting in the CB then I think your TH minimum does revert to 3% and which can be satisfied by the SHM. However, if TH, those not getting at least 3% in SHM need a TH allocation, IMHO.
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Funding Profit Sharing Contributions Throughout the Year
CuseFan replied to Vlad401k's topic in 401(k) Plans
Generally, no, that would not be allowable as it (deposit timing) would be a discriminatory BRF. Maybe 6% owner PS and 0% NHCE PS deposited throughout the year would be OK but as you say, there's no guarantee it would pass testing. If more NHCE PS is then required, would that create retroactive BRF discrimination? Maybe, probably would not know unless and until audited, if ever. Certainly going more than 6% is not a good idea. How important is getting that extra 6% in sooner compared to the possible risk? You can communicate the issues and, where there may be compliance ambiguity, the owner can decide how to proceed and accept any risk (but get it in writing). Another concern may be if PS provision has any conditions for entitlement in the document. -
In the circumstances you describe, it seems unlikely that a small-estate-affidavit regime would be effective to transfer title to real property. Or, even if a person acting under a small-estate-affidavit regime could transfer real property, the value of the decedent’s estate (counting all assets) might be more than a State’s small-estate limit. The IRS has directed EP examiners not to challenge a plan for a failure to meet a minimum-distribution provision when the plan’s administrator cannot identify the beneficiary. This is not advice to anyone.
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Let's say a company has 1 owner and a few NHCE participants. They fund 3% SHPS during the year. Can the owner also choose to fund additional contributions to himself during the year? For example, let's say he decides to fund an additional 6% (in addition to SHPS of 3%) in Profit Sharing. Is this allowed? They would pass Gateway, but we don't know if the General Test would be passing based on 9% to owner and 3% to NHCEs. If this is allowed, can he fund more than 3% SHPS plus 6% Profit Sharing to himself during the year, while only funding 3% SHPS to NHCEs? At that point, they would not be passing Gateway and additional contributions would definitely be required for NHCEs to pass testing. Thanks!
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Thank you everyone for the insightful replies. And we find out that there is no will. So, no beneficiary named, no spouse, no children, no will. The plan document only offers the following: "No Designated Beneficiary. Unless otherwise provided in the Adoption Agreement, in the event that the Participant fails to designate a Beneficiary, or in the event that the Participant is predeceased by all designated primary and secondary Beneficiaries, the death benefit shall be payable to the Participant's spouse or, if there is no spouse, to the Participant's children in equal shares or, if there are no children to the Participant's estate." The balance in the 401k plan for the deceased is around $4,000. Will or no Will, I would think that the individual (in this case a brother-in law) who is handling the deceased affairs would need an affadavit or some other means to be able to act on her behalf. While the deceased's is modest, I am told there is real estate matters that must be settled. Action involving that matter would require some authorization allowing the BIL to handle those dealings. That is probably a good starting point to see where that goes. Thank you
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We have a Plan that was once a dual Plan, but has since Frozen the Cash Balance Plan leaving the Profit Sharing Plan to operate as a stand alone Plan for now. It's a Safe Harbor Match (safe harbor formula). The Top Heavy Testing is right on the border, but since it is a Safe Harbor Match I believe they are exempt from the testing and are only required to make the Safe Harbor? I just wanted to make that was still the case, since there would be no Cash Balance Contributions and the Key Employees are only going to receive 401(k) and Safe Harbor Matching contributions. Thanks!
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