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  1. ratherbereading

    HCE limits

    Larry - yes, I am aware that it's unknowable - just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. So yes, that was my real question, as much as I should have known better than to ask. Thanks, all!
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  2. Plans sometime need to be aggregated to satisfy coverage (410b) or nondiscrimination (401a4) and if you must combine for one then you also must combine for the other, in which case you treat the aggregated plan as a single plan. None of that precludes someone from being covered by a more than one 401k plan of an employer. Coverage under multiple plans sometimes happens in a given year when an employee changes union/non-union status, divisions/locations within a company and/or goes to work with another member in the control group and there are different plans covering different groups of employees, in which case participation usually switches (ends/begins) when status changes. However, to be concurrently covered under multiple 401k plans of the same employer/control group is very rare - I can't recall the last time I've seen it, if ever, in 30+ years - but not precluded. And the rules CBZ notes above were drafted to prevent HCEs from benefiting being in multiple plans and somehow circumventing the nondiscrimination rules.
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  3. Members of a controlled group or affiliated service group are considered a single employer for purposes of the qualification requirements of section 401.
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  4. IRC 401(k)(3)(A) says that if an HCE is a participant in more than one 401(k) arrangement, their ADR must be calculated by treating them as a single plan. In other words it specifically contemplates a situation where an employee is a participant in more than one 401(k) plan of the employer and provides rules on how to test it. I don't see any problem with having multiple 401(k) plans covering some of the same employees, satisfaction of coverage, BRFs, etc. notwithstanding.
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