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SAR deadline fun
Sponsor filed 5500-SF in July, so on time.
Sponsor could have had the automatic extension due to extended tax return, but didn't need it, and the 5500 doesn't reflect it (after all, why would it, since it was filed on time?)
SAR is due 2 months after the 5500 deadline.
Can that still be 12/15, or does it have to be 9/30 specifically as a result of not checking the automatic extension box on the 5500?
Hmmmm......
--bri
Late deferral deposits and earnings calculation
We have 2 clients in this situation both changed payroll companies in 2024.
With the small client 10 participants, I can probably get actual earnings for the multi-month period and reduce by 50% (since funds would have been deposited evenly pro-rata over the period.
Then there is the large client 150 to 200. Getting actual earnings for the late period is not possible. I know some will say you cannot use the DOL calculator unless you file with the IRS. I see no other practical option.
I don't why this has to fall on the TPA to fix when it is the payroll company responsibility and plan sponsor to monitor. I told the small plan sponsor - what do your corporate accounting records who - there should be a 401(k) liability - withholding less payments to the plan. Accounting probably not kept current. (I know whining doesn't help.)
Thank you,
Tom
Cash payment to cover increased premiums
Company and participating employers are consolidating benefit plans so that all employees participate under one plan. As a result, premiums will increase for some employees. Company would like to understand if it's possible to pay certain employees a stipend on a pre-tax basis that is used to cover the increased premiums. The plan is self-insured, so my thought is that providing this payment to some employees and not others presents some discrimination issues. Also, if the stipend is paid through payroll, can it be deducted pre-tax to pay for the cost of premiums?
RMD's & rehires
A participant worked at Company Z & terminated employment at age 60. At age 72, Company Z's plan began paying out RMD's from his account. Participant zeroed out their account (rollover to IRA or direct distribution) 5 years later. EE is rehired at age 80 and has no plan balance. EE begins deferrals. Does he get an RMD from his new deferrals or because he is currently employed, he does not need to receive an RMD from this account as it was previously zeroed out?
Does SECURE apply to plans after they terminate?
DB plan terminated a few years ago. An annuity provider was established in terms of transferring the pension benefits. It was discovered that an individual (who was already in pay status when the plan terminated) was overpaid. In terms of trying to collect those overpayments, do the provisions of SECURE 2.0 apply?
Deceased participant, spouse is sole beneficiary
I have come to really dislike RMD questions. However, here goes:
Participant dies in 2023. Already taking RMD's. Spouse, who also works at the same company and is a participant, took his RMD in 2023, and then "moved" the balance of his account to her account in the plan. She is younger - late 60's. As I understand it, she can treat this money as her own, and no further RMD's are required until HER RBD. Have I got that right?
Safe harbor 401(k) sponsor acquires a SIMPLE IRA sponsor
We have a client ABC with a SH 401(k) plan. I just received word they are acquiring company XYZ that sponsors a SIMPLE IRA. It's an assets purchase which will take place 9/30/2024.
I don't know if ABC wants to recognize service worked with XYZ in meeting eligibility. I think that is likely.
So, the 402(g) deferral limit would apply as combined for any SIMPLE deferrals and deferrals under the 401(k) plan for 2024. ABC only funds a 3% non-elective SH. I'm guessing XYZ funds the SIMPLE match.
If we sweep into the ABC plan XYZ employees who meet ABC eligibility, would the 401(k) funding be as simple as providing the 3% SH for ABC 12-months and former XYZ employees for 3-months?
I believe there is some flexibility in testing in the case of acquisitions.
Thank you!!
5558 Extension Denied for Late Filing - but wasn't late and was with our entire package of extension! Somewhat freaking out here.
We sent all our 5558 extensions in one package for 12/31 on 7/30 as we always do. About 60 of them by priority mail on 7/30. Today one of my clients received a letter stating they were denying the extension because it was received late. Here's my issue, I can't find the tracking receipt ANYWHERE. It was on my bulletin board and now just vanished. Sooooo was it just this one that got separated or my entire package. I have two things, one my bank statement that shows my charge at the Post Office on 7/30 as well as the screenshot of where all my clients needing one were generated on 7/30. I tried going to the Post Office to see if they could back track and provide my tracking number but some new person was there and I have to go back and speak with the Postmaster. At any rate, has anyone had this happen? and do you think they'll accept what I have noted above to abate any penalty considering we have never filed a late return or extension. I am praying this is a one off and that it just got separated from the package. I've had plenty of instances over my 30 years where they say they haven't received the extension, I've sent it in, and never heard another thing and never included tracking, just sent it to them. Thoughts? Anyone else receiving these notices so far? Would you do anything else other than respond right away with what I mentioned.
Thanks!
undoing a plan termination
Client directs me earlier this year to terminate their cash balance and safe harbor(3% nonelective) 401(K) plan due to a business decline. Appropriate resolutions,notices etc. were done.
Subsequently, business improves, and they decide to still have a 401(k) plan and only proceed to terminate the cash balance plan. Small business 401(k) with owner and about 10 employees. No deferrals were made prior to the 401k plan termination. Wondering if anyone has done a 401k pan termination/nullification and what are the issues..Perhaps it is best to just proceed with the termination and start a new 401(k) in 2025; however, the successor plan rules could be an issue. If we restart the terminated plan, I am thinking the HCEs should not defer anything for 2024 and hence not require the safe harbor to satisfy the ADP. It would then be up to the sponsor to decide whether to give say 3% to the employees for the entire year or not since it would not really be a safe harbor plan for 2024..Any thoughts?
QSLP Matching Contribution Frequency
IRS Notice 2024-63, Q&A E-3, permits QSLP matches to be contributed at a different frequency than elective deferral matches.
Plan makes elective deferral matching contributions on a payroll period basis (that is, compensation and deferrals are measured on a payroll period basis).
Plan wants to implement a QSLP match feature, making the QSLP match on an annual basis (that is, compensation and QSLPs are measured on a plan year basis).
Does IRS Notice 2024-63 permit this plan design, or will the plan need to be amended to make the elective deferral match on an annual basis to sync up with the QSLP match feature (so that deferrals, QSLPs and compensation are measured on a plan year basis)?
Thanks.
415 limit for frozen fiscal plan
Having a slow brain day for a change.
Fiscal plan 5/1/22 to 4/30/23.
Limitation year is plan year.
2022 415 limit 245k, 2023 415 limit 265k
Froze the plan 5/1/22.
What is the frozen 415 limit?
overdeposit of PS - de minimis refund?
This is for a 1-person plan.
Owner overdeposited by < $50.
PS amt needed to be exact due to certain limits.
I'm thinking to just cut a check out of the plan to return it.
Voluntary Benefits - Consideration?
If a voluntary vendor offers a premium discount for other benefits (1% discount for our life coverages). My concern is that this would constitute "consideration" and therefore would not satisfy that prong of the safe harbor exemption. Any thoughts?
Voluntary Benefits - what constitutes consideration?
If a voluntary vendor offers a premium discount for other benefits (1% discount for our life coverages). My concern is that this would constitute "consideration" and therefore would not satisfy that prong of the safe harbor exemption. Any thoughts?
Remove PS Allocations for the year?
Company A is purchasing Company B. Stock Transaction.
Company A is transitioning employees to Company B and wants to ensure that the employees in the transition get the annual PS. PS has last day and 500 rule.
Can we amend the plan for just the employees transitioning? Or, do we need to amend the plan to remove allocation conditions for all employees for the plan year?
I feel like we need to remove the conditions for all employees for the 2024 for Company A.....
Thoughts?
Thanks
5500 filing - automatic extension
Hi
Plan sponsor is an s-corp.
It is a CG with a sole-prop i.e. adopting employer.
No 5558 (first year of the plan, late adopter (put aside that they do not need to file) but curious.
For automatic extension purposes, plan sponsor deadline is the determining factor i.e. 9/16 because it is an s-corp and cannot rely on sole-prop extended deadline of 10/15.
Right?
QACA Vesting Schedules
I am working on a plan that has a QACA. The plan has one group of participants hired before a certain date as 100% vested in the QACA match. The group of participants hired after that same date is subject to a 2 year cliff schedule for the QACA match. Is this permissible? The two groups do not fall under the permissible disaggregation rules as the difference is based on hire date only. Any thoughts?
Extracting Anniversary Year Hours
Good Afternoon,
Has anyone found a way to extract hours of service from date of hire to first anniversary date for newly hired employees? We haven't had any luck pulling hours reported per payroll across plan years at a participant level.
Thank you.
Software for DC Plans
We are currently using DATAIR for the documents and their pension system for testing. What software systems do you all have personal experience with and recommend?
Bizarro 5500 question from client
Any thoughts on this one is appreciated.
We have a large 403(b) Plan, over 100 lives. They have filed as a large plan previously, along with the required audit.
A new ownership group took over; 2023 plan year is their first one involving the plan. After much foot dragging, I finally received their 2023 employee data, 6 weeks before 10/15. After stressing that they need to take action since the audit is needed and those take time (and money), I finally heard back today: "They do not believe the audit is needed". They want us to finish the 2023 form 5500 and they will file but without the audit.
Reasoning and pointing out that an audit is needed whether they want to engage that or not has gone nowhere.
I can document how they are wrong on this, but otherwise, would everyone just prepare the 5500, indicate the audit is not attached, and let them get
"caught" by the IRS/DOL a few weeks from now? Should we as the TPA file the 5500 for them knowing it is not complete?
Thanks for any comments.








