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    2023 IRS Audits

    Mallory H
    By Mallory H,

    Is anyone seeing an uptick in IRS audits for the 2023 plan year?


    Regional Vice President

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    By BenefitsLink,
    for Loren D. Stark Company (Remote / NJ / NV / TX)

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    Pension Consultant

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    By BenefitsLink,
    for Pension Associates Inc (Remote / Stamford CT / Hybrid)

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    415 corrections after plan termination

    Will J
    By Will J,

    Plan sponsor had a 401k plan and ESOP. Both plans were terminated and all plan assets were distributed. After the distributions took place the TPA informed us that there was a 415 failure and corrections (refunds and forfeitures) would need to take place. How is that handled when all of the plan assets have already been distributed and rolled over to IRA's?

    Will J


    Must buyer credit seller employees' prior 401(k) service for ESOP eligibility and vesting?

    SundanceKid
    By SundanceKid,

    In an equity transaction, the buyer  maintains both a 401(k) and an ESOP. Following the acquisition,  must the buyer credit the acquired employees' pre-closing service, previously recognized under the seller's 401(k), for purposes of eligibility and vesting in the buyer's ESOP?


    no reason to start PS-only plan on 12/31?

    AlbanyConsultant
    By AlbanyConsultant,

    Am I reading this right?

    SECURE says that if I implement a PS-only plan today for a 2025 plan year, then there's no 5500 for 2025 because it's retroactive and I just check that box on the 2026 5500.  But if I was paranoid and had the document executed on December 31, 2025, then a 2025 Form 5500 would be required?


    Senior Account Manager - TPA Retirement Plan Administrator

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    By BenefitsLink,
    for CBIZ (North Canton OH / Independence OH / Phoenix AZ / Boca Raton FL / Atlanta GA / Lewiston ID / Kansas City MO / Saint Louis MO / Philadelphia PA / Nashville TN / Dallas TX / Houston TX / Jackson WI / Hybrid)

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    Senior Account Manager - TPA Retirement Plan Administrator

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    By BenefitsLink,
    for CBIZ (North Canton OH / Hybrid)

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    ERISA & Benefits Compliance Paralegal

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    By BenefitsLink,
    for AlphaStaffHCM (Remote / Fort Lauderdale FL / Hybrid)

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    Small Quasi Govt 457b

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    Trying to help an acquaintance find a cheap option for opening a 457b for a tiny quasi-government agency.  Anyone have any ideas?


    SCP, VFCP, or None of the Above

    Catch22PGM
    By Catch22PGM,

    Employee contributions were withheld on November 1, 2025.  Plan sponsor submitted the allocation breakdown to the recordkeeper same day.  The recordkeeper made an error and the funds were never deducted from the plan's sponsor's bank account or deposited into the participant accounts.  The account shortages were caught by your friendly neighborhood TPA while reconciling the accounts.  After numerous conversations, the recordkeeper acknowledged their error.

    On June 30, 2026, the recordkeeper deducted the contribution amount from the plan sponsor's bank account, deposited the missing contributions, and backdated the deposit to November 1, 2025.  The participants received the number of shares they would have received had the deposit been made on November 1, 2025.  When calculating the earnings based upon the November 1, 2025, share values and June 30, 2026, share values, they amount to approximately $800.

    The recordkeeper is insisting that this is not a late deposit since they backdated and provided the proper number of shares.  They don't believe this falls under SCP or VFCP.  Due to the timing, I agree SCP doesn't apply because the correction didn't occur within 180 days of the withholding and the VFCP calculator wasn't used to calculate earnings.  However, I still believe VFCP is required because the withholding occurred on November 1, 2025, but the funds were not segregated from employer assets until June 30, 2026.

    Am I wrong here?  I prefer to be wrong, but I still believe this would be considered a late deposit regardless of who made the error or how it was corrected.


    Loan Payments on W-2 as Roth

    Kattdogg12
    By Kattdogg12,

    Hi, 

     

    We have an awful client that needs to hire a payroll service.  This is the 4th year in a row where she's screwed everything up.  The latest is there looked like missing Roth deposits for the last few payrolls in 2025.  It was weird though because each deposit made was missing the same exact # - $110.09.  Then I search in the file and there's a listing of payroll contributions and typed next to the Roth it says "loan payments".  However, they were reported on the W-2 as Roth.  Since they are both after tax, is it ok to leave as loan payments and just reduce that amount on the admin reports.  They obviously won't tie to the payroll/W-2.  I just wasn't sure how the Roth affects the 1040 (if it does at all). 

     

    Thanks, 


    Undo QDRO distribution rollover to IRA

    J Simmons
    By J Simmons,

    Ex-spouse was awarded by QDRO part of employee's 401k benefits. The plan was for spouse to pay the income tax and with the rest, buy the employee out of his portion of their equity in their house. After the QDRO was reviewed and found proper, a "tax advisor" told the ex-spouse to elect to rollover the awarded benefits to an IRA. The ex-spouse did so, only to later learn that to take the money out of the IRA, she'll face a 10% early withdrawal penalty on top of the income tax. The rollover to the IRA took place 40 days ago.

    I've been contacted by the divorce attorney for the ex-spouse, in hopes of being able to remedy this and avoid the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

    I do not know if it would work, but since it has been less than 60 days, can the ex-spouse cause her IRA custodian to return the funds to the 401k trust, and then take a payout of the awarded benefits directly from the 401k plan and avoid the 10% early withdrawal penalty?

    Any other suggestions?


    How long to keep documents relating to 401(k)?

    Miles Leech
    By Miles Leech,

    We run a small TPA Recordkeeping firm. While we've moved most things to electronic forms, we still have filing cabinets full of various old documents. The biggest one is distribution request forms mailed to us from participants, as well as inactive signed plan documents back when we handled those on paper. How long do documents like these need to be retained, or is it indefinite?


    Roth Recharacterization timing for ADP failures

    ComplianceGeek
    By ComplianceGeek,

    We are discussing the application of Treas. Reg. §1.414(v)-2(c)(3)(iii)(C) and would appreciate industry perspectives.

    Assume:

    • 401(k) plan requires ADP corrective distributions to three HCEs
    • One of the HCEs has room to recharacterize the refund as catch-up.  The HCE is an HPI so it will have to be recharacterized as Roth 

    Are you interpreting the regulation to require that the actual recharacterization transaction be completed before any ADP refund distributions are issued for the plan?

    Or are you treating the regulation as requiring only that the recharacterized amount be properly accounted for when determining the excess contribution/refund amount, regardless of when the recordkeeping transaction is completed?

     


    Relationship Manager

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    By BenefitsLink,
    for Benefit Plans Plus (Remote / Saint Louis MO)

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    Should an employer help people about Trump accounts?

    Peter Gulia
    By Peter Gulia,

    Assume an employer lacks money to make employer-provided contributions to Trump accounts.

    Assume the employer, in its circumstances, does not fear any effect about coverage or nondiscrimination for any retirement plan, health plan, other employee-benefit plan, or fringe-benefit plan.

    Should an employer provide the convenience of an employee’s voluntary payroll-deduction contributions to Trump accounts? Why or why not?

    Should an employer provide information about Trump accounts?

    Is it best for an employer deliberately to do nothing about Trump accounts?

    Your thoughts?


    DB Administrator/Enrolled Actuary

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    for Associated Pension Consultants (Remote / Chico CA / Sacramento CA)

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    Senior Retirement Plan Administrator

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    for PlanPerfect, Inc. (Remote)

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    Retirement Plan Consultant

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    By BenefitsLink,
    for Associated Pension Consultants (Remote / Chico CA / Sacramento CA)

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