Jump to content

    new plan credit for small employers clarification needed

    Tom
    By Tom,

    Prior to SECURE 2.0 there was the 3-year credit of 50% of plan admin costs up to $5,000 for small employers.  I understand now that credit rate is 100%.  PLUS there is now a new credit of 100% or an employer contribution up to $1000 per employee (phased down after year 2.)

    So a small employer starting a new plan gets both credits?  That seems to be what I am reading.  Is it really that good?  


    How are you interpreting SECURE 2.0 Section 350?

    Belgarath
    By Belgarath,

    Revenue Procedure 2021-30, Appendix B, Section .05(9) provides a special safe harbor correction method for plans that did not necessarily contain a automatic enrollment/increase feature. An "Employee Elective Deferral Failure" is defined for these purposes in Section .05(10), which includes a failure to implement elective deferrals correctly, "...including elective deferrals pursuant to an affirmative election or..." and then goes on to list the Automatic Contribution feature and the improperly excluded employee situation.

    Section 350 appears to confine this special correction to plans with Automatic Contribution/Escalation provisions, or failure to afford an eligible employee the opportunity to make an election by improperly excluding them from the plan.

    Try as I might, I can't get to a reading of this that covers this other currently allowable special correction. Section 3 says no QNEC required if the requirements of (2)(B) are satisfied with regard to a reasonable administrative error described in 2(A)(i) or (ii) - and neither (i) nor (ii) appear to cover the special fix for the situation I'm considering. 

    Other thoughts/interpretations? Agree/disagree?


    Automatic Rebalancing: What is the typical procedure?

    gc@chimentowebb.com
    By gc@chimentowebb.com,

    A participant has one set of elections for a current balance and a different set of elections for new money.

    Has anyone ever seen an auto-rebalance procedure that would put all of the current balance into the investments elected for new money?

    In other words, rather than rebalancing the current balance according to the current balance elections, this vendor assumes that "rebalance" means to invest all of the current balance as if it were new money. It simply provides no way for auto-rebalance of a current balance to be according to the current balance elections.

    This is something I feel I need to alert clients about, but I'm curious if this vendor's practice is as unusual as it seems to be.

     


    Related Company and Compensation for ADP Test

    Tom
    By Tom,

    100% owner of plan sponsor owns a second company 100% which is not a participating employer to the plan.   He says there are no employees who would meet the plan's eligibility.  The ADP test fails for 2022 (which includes data only for the covered company.).  He wants to add his compensation from the non-sponsoring company which would help the test.  I believe the answer clearly is no.

    (And yes we will get the census for non-sponsoring company to check this out.)

    Tom

     


    RMD Withholding Form W-4R or W-4P

    Ananda
    By Ananda,

    For qualified plans, the tax withholding certificate for non-periodic payments and eligible rollover contributions is Form W-4R. For non-periodic payments, if no withholding election is made, the default withholding is 10%. For periodic payments made in regular installments over a period of more than one year, to elect withholding Form W-4P must be used. 

    For RMD's they are clearly not eligible rollover contributions and are arguably not non-periodic payments but rather are typically regular payments that must be made to the participant for a period of more than a year. Thus, it's my view that if a participant wants tax withholding on an RMD that the Form W-4P rather than Form W-4R must be used. In fact, Form W-4R should have nothing to do with RMD's because if it did, then if no withholding election is made the Form W-4R mandates 10% withholding which should never apply to RMD's Any comments?


    SHNEC Contribution and ACP testing

    justatester
    By justatester,

    If a plan makes a 3% SHNEC contribution, but also make a match of 50% up to 5% is ACP testing required?  Does the SHNEC cover both ADP/ACP?


    Attribution/Controlled Group Clarification

    Lucky32
    By Lucky32,

    I've been trying to learn about both topics and now I've run across a situation that incorporates both and would like to get this right.  A husband and wife own 100% of company A, which sponsors a profit sharing plan.  Their adult daughter and her husband own 100% of company B which has absolutely no transactions or involvement with A.  All 4 people are only employed by their own companies.  Would the attribution rules cause employees of B to be covered in A's plan in such a situation?  Would the answer be different if the daughter and son-in-law owned only a small percentage of B?

    When a person has any ownership in business that sponsors a plan, it appears to be standard practice when requesting end-of-year info to also ask if their spouse has an ownership interest in any other company in order to determine CG situations (and ASG situations if service organizations are involved).  Is there a need to also ask whether the owner's children (as well as the owner's parents) own a part of any company so a similar determination can be made?  Thank you in advance for your help.  

     


    Distribution of NYCER PENSION benefits upon death

    Edie
    By Edie,

    Good afternoon. First Thank you all for answering my previous questions in 2019. However, I’ve returned since then with a new discovery on the topic. Previously, I questioned if my mother was entitled to my fathers NYCER pension after death without a DRO.  Today, I would like to know If my mother is entitled to my fathers NYCER pension if she WAIVED her ALL her rights on the financial affidavit during there divorce? My mother signed her divorce decree stating,” she DIDNT want anything from my father”! The judge stated,” They both leave with what they own in there current possession! Any advise??


    Income determination - multiple schedule c's

    Jakyasar
    By Jakyasar,

    Hi

    Joe owns 3 LLC taxed as sole-props. Joe is over age 50. Joe never had any employees.

    Let's call them LLX, LLY and LLZ

    Joe has a DB (no minimum required contribution for 2022) and 401k/PS plan. Only LLX and LLY are the sponsoring/adopting employs. LLZ never adopted either plan.

    2022 net schedule c income figures are given as follows (assume after adjusting for 1/2 se tax):

    LLX:  -$20,000

    LLY: $22,000

    LLZ: $100,000

    Because only LLX and LLY are part of the plans, only their income can be used and therefore total income that is available for 2022 is $2,000, am I correct?

    Because there is 401k deferral election in place for maximum deferral, $2,000 would be deposited into the 401/PS plan as part of 2022 deferrals.

    So, the $100,000 in LLX is all taxable. Ouch.

    How about the following?

    Start a 3rd plan i.e. a new profit sharing plan and put in $20,000 (I know, 3 plans to deal with) and merge the new plan into the old 401k/PS plan in 2023? This would be option 1 which is my favorite. However....

    Let's push it further (based on a previous conversation we all had), start a new 401k/PS plan effective 12/29/2022 with PYE 12/31/2022 and full year limitation year (LLZ has been around since 2020). Now we can put away $20,000 of PS and $25,000 ($2,000 was deferred in the old plan) of 401k for 2022.

    What are the flaws you can detect here?

    Thanks


    Prior year testing Question

    PaulL
    By PaulL,

    I have a plan that in 2021 had 1 eligible NHCE that did not defer, and that person terminated employment in 2021.  In 2022 there are no eligible NHCEs. Even though the ADP Test is based on Prior Year testing with the 2021 NHCE ADP% of 0%, can the test can still be deemed to pass because only HCEs are eligible/participating in 2022?


    VEBA restatement for new Trustee

    KimberlyC
    By KimberlyC,

    I have a client who acquired companies with two very old VEBAs.  The VEBAs are trust documents and received favorable IRS determination letters on their Section 501(c)(9) status years ago.  The VEBA trusts have been amended from time to time to appoint successor trustees.  The client plans  to move all retirement and welfare trusts to a new financial institution. The new trustee insists its standard trust document must be used for the VEBAs and will not agree to incorporate or even attach the old VEBA documents that received the IRS ruling. The new trusts are boiler plate and contain no description of the original VEBA members or benefits (e.g., retired union employee; retiree health benefits).  The new generic trusts  state the trust  document plus the employer's welfare plans constitute the entire VEBA. I am concerned that the original IRS letters will no longer govern the VEBA's tax-exempt status if there is no provision of the original trust left and no description of eligible  members or benefits in the new trust documents. Note that the employer maintains a retiree health plan document, but the VEBA funds only certain members' (union) benefits. The new trustee insists obliterating the old document will not affect the VEBA's tax-exempt status.  

    I appreciate that a VEBA can be amended and that a new IRS ruling should not be necessary simply to name a new trustee. However, i feel that the original VEBA documents that received the favorable IRS letters should at least be incorporated by reference ( at least to the extent they don't conflict with the new trust provisions). 

    Any thoughts? I have considered amending the original VEBA trusts to incorporate the new trust documents (essentially doing through the back door what the new trustee won't allow through the front door). 


    Actuarial Equivalance

    Josette
    By Josette,

    Defined Benefit plan.

    Actuarial Assumptions for all purposes (not just lump sums) :  mortality rates = applicable mortality table.    interest rates = applicable segment rates.  The stability period is the calendar year.

    Normal retirement age = 65 and NRD = 9/1/2015   Participant's actual retirement age = 73 with a commencement date of 3/1/2023

    Benefits were frozen before the participant reached age 65.  The plan states that benefits are actuarially increased with interest and mortality from normal retirement date to date of actual retirement.  

    Assuming the life annuity at age 65 is $1,000 per month, what is the monthly amount beginning at 3/1/23?

    I have seen at least 3 methods - based on the 2015 rates, based on 2023 rates. or based on a different rate for mortality and interest for each year.  As an aside, how would you determine the lump sum at age73?  Do you start with the first five years or year 9?  Of course these rates should match the rates used for any optional form.

    Thanks to anyone who is bold enough to answer because I'm so confused at this point. 


    1099R - Code 1 USed but Participant is Disabled

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    1099R was issued with a Code 1 for a 2022 distribution but the Participant is claiming they would qualify for the disability exception to the 10% penalty tax.  My understanding is that even though the Code 1 was used, which specifically is titled "Early distribution, no known exception.", you could claim eligiblity for the waiver of the penalty tax.  i.e., we don't have to issue an amended 1099-R.  Is this correct?  Can anyone point me to anything explaining how this is done? I assume it is straightforward.  This must happen on a fairly regular basis.  


    Solo 401(k) Plans

    Chipwood 24
    By Chipwood 24,

    Seems like different practioners in our industry see these differently. When changes were made to EGTRRA making these available, the counsel we used at our firm indicated that you could have MORE THAN 1 Owner on these.  Some others see it differently.  How does everyone see that?

    The Term "Solo" is just really a marketing term or gimmick, from my perspective.

    For example, if Jack and Dave own 50% each of ABC, there are no other companies that are owned by them, no common-law employees who reach 1,000 hours, then they could have ONE Solo(k) and both participate in it, correct?  To go a step further, if they're spouses work for the company and get a W-2, they could also contribute, correct?

    Also, if you have 4 separate owners at 25% each (and not CG or ASG issues), they could all set up ONE Solo(k) and each participate, correct?


    Retroactive amendment for discretionary match to include true up

    karl
    By karl,

    Plan has discretionary match and currently the document election is to compute match with each payroll period.  Sponsor is asking to amend the plan to be a Plan Year election to allow for true up.  Now in February 2023, is this something that can be retroactively amended for 2022 plan year? 


    Auto-Escalate Notice

    Steamboat
    By Steamboat,

    Does an auto-escalate notice have to be provided 30 days in advance? Thanks in advance.


    Eligibility Question

    Below Ground
    By Below Ground,

    Setting up a new 401(k) Plan effective 1/1/2023.  The Plan covers a workforce that is entirely HCE, with one exception.  There is an employee who had 10 years of service but was terminated in April 2022.  She was then rehired in mid-January of 2023.  It also appears that she did not have a Break in Service in 2022 as she did have over 500 Hours.

    This person would NOT be HCE for 2023 since her pay doesn't reach the pay threshold given her termination.  (She will be HCE in later years by pay level.) It is hoped that she can be excluded from the Plan in 2023 for testing purposes.  Since we have to include past service for eligibility, the only way we see where exclusion might be possible is using the fact that she was not in the employ of the firm on an Entry Date.  This could be achieved if we use a single Entry Date of January 1 following 6 months of service.

    I don't believe this will work since she did not have a Break in Service as she had over 500 Hours in 2022, so she must be allowed entry on her date or reemployment.  Is this wrong, or does anyone see a method where she could be excluded?  Would using a 2 year wait for profit sharing entry limit her to only the Gateway, for example?


    Plan Term - 401(k) Contributions Continue

    Lou S.
    By Lou S.,

    Well new one for me. Have a client that was bought. Recently told "Oh hey we were bought as of X" where X is a date in the past.

    Part of the selling agreement which they just sent me had resolutions terminating the Plan as of date before acquisition. Not prepared by us. Buyer is taking the position that that is formal plan termination.

    Seller decides on his own that since they aren't in the buyers plan he's going to continue deferral and safe harbor match and deposits first 2 January payrolls to the Plan.

    What is the fix? Can this be self corrected? or does this require VCP?  

    Do the deferrals after term date get paid out as like a 415 excess? they ran through payroll so will presumably be on 2023 W-2.

    What happens to the match that was deposited? Forfeit? Allocate as prior year contribution? Return to client as mistake of fact?


    Entry date for rehired employee in new plan

    drakecohen
    By drakecohen,
    We are setting up a plan effective 1/1/23. Only HCEs in the plan (doctors). About 25 participants, 15 of whom are partners.
     
    Issue is with an employee for 10 years who terminated in April, 2022, making a salary of under $135,000 for 2022. That employee was rehired mid-January 2023 and would need to be classified as NHCE for 2023 if eligible since not  a partner.
     
    To get around including them can we have a single entry date (January 1) with a six-month wait? Since the rehire was not employed as of 1/1/23 then would they come in as of 1/1/24 or is there an issue with service spanning?

    Hartford Mass 2022 Data from Empower

    Beau Dameron
    By Beau Dameron,

    I have been trying to work with Empower regarding the first half of the 2022 year when plan assets were still at Mass Mutual from the previous Hartford platform.  The data they provide is only available as a .txt file, and changing the extension to a .dat file does not work.  Relius gives an import error stating that “Fatal error in The Hartford link.  Incorrect file format.  Fixed position file with linefeed only must be used."  They have stated that the extension change should work (it doesn't), and that because the data is from another company (which they bought), they "cannot convert files obtained from another company."  Outside of manually entering all the transactions for the first half of 2022, has anyone found a way to import this data correctly?


Portal by DevFuse · Based on IP.Board Portal by IPS
×
×
  • Create New...