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- The only pre-retirement death benefit allowed is what is required by law (the minimum spouse's death benefit)
- It can only be paid as a life annuity to the spouse
- The plan contains language allowing "election to allow participants or beneficiaries to elect 5-year rule". This language can be found on page 132 of the IRS' Defined Benefit Plan LRM package.
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Controlled Group / ASG Question
This may be basic but I just wanted to make sure no employees get inadvertently excluded. Company A is 100% owned by John; Company B is 100% owned by Fred; John and Fred each have 50% ownership in Company C. All three companies refer business to each other and work together in providing services to common clients. If Company A wants to sponsor a qualified plan, all three companies would be members of an ASG and would have to all be covered by Company A's plan - is that correct?
Elapsed Time instead of Hours for Profit Sharing Allocation Conditions
Hi all,
We have a client implementing a 6-month accrual rule for their Cash Balance plan and would like to have the same 6 month requirement for their Profit Sharing Plan. Is it even possible to have a 6-month elapsed time rule in place of the normal 1000 hours? Haven't seen anything yet on this issue.
Profit Sharing Plan with excess asset provision ( FIS)
We're drafting cycle 3 docs for a PSPs receiving excess assets from terminated DB Plan. Under FIS the plan provides that excess assets from a terminated DB can be transferred over. Does this require the distribution options to include J&S provisions? These PSPs previously paid out lump sum only. The J&S provisions would be required if Money Purchase Plan assets were being transferred or merged, but I don't believe it is required for excess assets from a terminated pension plan. Is this correct?
match safe harbor after 12/1?
I know I am reaching on this, but could you start a safe harbor match effective 1/1/2022 with the notice going out as late as 12/13/2021? I know that the rules for proper employee notification would require that notice to be distributed no later than 12/1, but is that a "safe harbor (so-to-speak)" notice deadline? If the safe harbor match notice is given after that date and if the eligible participants then still have enough time to make a decision, receive education material, ask questions, and are ready to go by January 1, 2022, can that still be considered valid enough to have the safe harbor effective 1/1/2022? For a small group of employees, this could probably be done. But would it be considered valid?
The enrollment folks have outdone themselves
So I just heard from the enrollment folks at the IRS that they will not grant any CE towards my ERPA renewal, for studying for (and passing) at least one Enrolled Actuary exam during my 2019-2021 enrollment window.
Guess I've got to download some recorded sessions this month. Grrrrr......
How is this not legitimate continuing education? What, it's not a "CE program" with an IRS-issued certificate?
(If there weren't going to be a delay between my ERPA expiring and being able to apply to the JBEA, I'd just abandon the ERPA credential. EAs get higher ability to represent taxpayers than ERPAs.)
Failed Top Hat Plan
I feel like I should know the answer to this but not sure I've ever seen discussed. Am curious for thoughts or any insight from actual experiences with similar situations.
Employer established non-qualified deferred compensation plan to permit deferrals of substantial bonus amounts for a wide range of employees. All amounts in the plan were fully vested at all times and generally designed to provide for distribution upon separation from service. No employee salary deferrals ever went into the plan. Of course, there was no trust for the plan.
After several years in existence, former executive with various axes to grind surfaces and says the Top Hat Plan is not really a Top Hat Plan because it includes non-management and non-HCEs. (Let's assume for this thread that the plan clearly would not qualify as top hat plan and company readily admits this after looking at general guidance.) Former executive threatens to report the company / plan to the regulators if he doesn't get his way on severance and other points.
The Plan has had a few participants retire and get benefits under the plan after termination but not a lot. Most of the participants in the plan are still working and have large accrued balances. While there are definitely some non-Top Hat participants in the Plan, there are not a lot of those and their balances relatively small. The company feels it could kick them out and deal with them and their accrued benefits outside the plan easily enough if possible.
Does the company have any corrective options? Could it somehow kick out the non-top hat folks and deal with them outside the plan and continue on even though it was presumably operating without complying with all applicable ERISA retirement plan protections in place? Does the employer face potential exposure for the fact it was operating such a plan for years without any general attention to minimum coverage and participation rules--i.e, do non-participants have any potential claim they should have been covered by plan?
Thanks
Do health-reimbursement plans provide domestic-partner coverage?
Do health-reimbursement plans provide domestic-partner coverage?
Imagine this not-so-hypothetical situation. An employer sponsors a health plan of the kind people call an “HRA” or health-reimbursement-arrangement plan. There is no participant contribution. Claims for reimbursement of a medical expense are paid by the employer from its assets. Presume the employer intends the plan to fit Internal Revenue Code § 105(b) and the Revenue Rulings interpreting § 105(b) regarding an HRA.
The employer knows same-sex couples have no less right to marry than opposite-sex couples. But the employer, for its own business reasons, wants to provide its HRA benefit regarding the medical expenses of an employee’s non-spouse civil-union or domestic partner [26 C.F.R. § 301.7701-18(c)] equally to those of an employee’s spouse. The employer wants to provide this even if there is no support for treating an employee’s domestic partner as the employee’s spouse, dependent, or child.
1. Do plan-document vendors set up providing HRA coverage for a domestic partner as a check-the-box choice?
2. If it is a document choice, what (if anything) does a vendor explain about the Federal tax law implications of providing that the employer will reimburse the medical expenses of an employee’s non-spouse?
3. If an employer provides domestic-partner coverage, what methods does it use to add an amount for the value of the coverage, or of the reimbursements, to an employee’s wages for W-2 tax-reporting and withholding wage and income taxes?
Controlled group related due to minor children
Here is a new one for me.
DC plan sponsored by Company A
Company A is owned by Dad 75% and Son 25%. They have employees and covered under the plan. MD office
Company B is owned by Son's wife 100%. This company has 2 employees. Dental office
Son and wife have minor children.
2 companies have no connection whatsoever.
This is in New Jersey.
Do I have controlled group issues? I would not be asking if Son owned 100%. Not sure how and if attribution plays a role in here.
To complicate matters, they do not want company B in the DC plan. Company B wants to do SEP.
Thank you
Plan Document Restatement - Non Volume Submitter DC
I know we are in the process of doing the Cycle 3 restatements for all non-volume submitter DC Plans. When are restatements due for any DC non-volume submitter plans due?
Thanks in advance!
"Why isn't my loan balance still invested?"
This is an actual question I received from a client. I tried to explain that when a loan is taken, the funds are removed from the account and given in cash, so they cannot be invested in the plan because they aren't in the plan. They get reinvested according to the participant's allocation elections as they are repaid. He then asked why the loan balance was shown on a report as an asset of the plan, and I tried to explain that the loan balance was basically an account receivable at that point. After several additional exchanges, he asked for some regulatory information to support what I was saying.
This left me at a loss, because this is such a basic concept that I cannot fathom there being any regulatory information about this. I even tried but couldn't find anything. Anyone have another way to try to explain it?
Claim for pension benefit from a predecessor, predecessor company
An individual claims he's due a pension benefit from company A. Company A was acquired by company B and then we acquired company B. The plan was terminated before we purchased company B and we don't have any pension plan records. What obligations do we have to the individual? Thanks in advance!
Successor Plans
Have a client who had to wind down his business, terminated the firms PS/401(k) plan (5 people if that matters) in 2020, last distribution was made 2/19/2021 and a final form has been filed. This was not related to Covid
Business has started to come around, owner is in his 70's and one employee still works for him that was a participant in the terminated plan, age late 60's.
Now they would like to adopt a Profit Sharing Plan for 2021, assume no deferrals at least not for now, would this violate the Successor Plan rule? Have never been presented with this situation.
Any help is appreciated
Life expectancy vs 5-year rule
Plan document facts:
The obvious issue here is that the plan does not provide for a death benefit where the entire interest can be distributed by the end of the calendar year which contains the 5th anniversary of the date of death. Is this just a situation where, for this particular qualified plan, this election is not applicable? Or am I missing something?
Qualified replacement plan related - QRP
Good morning
Drawing a blank here.
Can QRP be used to satisfy 3% non-elective safe harbor (or even safe harbor match)? This is in addition to profit sharing allocation that will be provided as well.
Thank you
Refinancing a Loan From a 401(k) Plan
Good morning! Is there a limit to the number of times a loan can be refinances in a 401(k) Plan? I don't see anything in the regulations, but my document provider appears to have default language that limits the number of refinances to twice. I wanted to make sure that we could remove that language without there being an issue.
Thanks in advance!
402(g) Limits
I recently reviewed a VCP submission where the attorney stated in the application that the Participant exceeded both the 402(g) limits and the 415 limits for five years.
Basic facts: Schedule C Employer who sponsored both a defined benefit plan and a 401(k) Plan. The Participant, who was over age 50, deferred up to the 402(g) limit each of the five years in question. This individual made contributions to his defined benefit plan each of the years in the amount of his Schedule C Income less the Self Employment Taxes. The net affect is that he deferred more than 100% of his Earned Income.
He obviously exceeded 415 limits and has excess contributions in his 401(k) Plan. However, I did not think that 402(g) was limited by wages. I always thought it was a straight dollar limit. The 1099-R instructions state that Excess Deferrals not distributed by 4/15 of the following year are subject to double taxation. This same language is not included when you are dealing with excess Excess Contributions.
I realize that the only contributions to the 401(k) Plan were employee deferrals. However, if they did not exceed the 402(g) limit are they still considered Excess Deferrals or can they be considered Excess Contributions.
Thanks for any insight.
Am I controlled group for setting up 2 separate plans?
Hi
I am fairly certain that it is ok to do the following but want to confirm:
Joe owns 50% of company A (other 50% owned by unrelated person)
Joe owns 100% of company B
No affiliation between the 2 companies.
Joe can set up a DB plan separately under each company with full 415(b) limits as long as ownership is 50% or less in company A, agree?
Joe can set up a DC plan separately under each company with full 415(c) limits (58k in each company) as long as ownership is 50% or less in company A, agree?
Please disregard any PBGC coverage issues as this is a general question
Thanks
unforeseen acquisition
Recently had an advisor present a scenario where Company A (the client) has a SIMPLE IRA and planned to proceed with the Plan for 2022; however, an unplanned acquisition (believed to be stock) just occurred and Company B (acquired company) has an existing 401(k) Plan. The transition rule could cover this but the employer is asking if they could take over the 401(k) and put both Company A & Company B employees in that rather than one group in the (k) Plan and one group in the SIMPLE IRA.
I could not find anything to support this but assuming it would not be a benefit cutback is there any relief, for the employer, if the employees get a term notice, albeit after the 11/02 deadline and the employees are receiving a better benefit?
Company X owned by 2 separate S-Corps
A CPA came to me with this scenario...
She and her partner own an accounting firm (Company X)
The accounting firm is owned by her S Corp (Company A) and her partner's S Corp (Company B)
Accounting firm ownership % is Company A 25%, Company B 75%
Company A owner earns W2 wages from Company X, Company B owner takes his Company X compensation in the form of a K1 to Company B
They want to setup a 401(k) plan for Company X.
Q1 - I don't see any problem there... Company X pays it's employees and they can defer if they want. Correct?
Q2 - In this scenario do we have to include all 3 companies?
I don't see a control group
Q3 - Can each company have their own plan?
I guess what is throwing me is that the S Corps own the accounting firm, not individuals. Does that make a difference? Am I missing anything?
Bank Participation Loans
Is anyone familar with "Participation Loans" as described below? Can a bank use their profit sharing plan's assets to purchase a portion of a loan from the lead lender?
"As defined by the FDIC, a loan participation is an arrangement under which a lender originates a loan to a borrower and then sells a portion of that loan to one or more other financial institutions. The lead or originating lender retains a partial interest in the loan, holds all loan documentation in its own name, services the loan, and deals directly with the customer."
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