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    Over funded Defined Benefit Plan

    ConnieStorer
    By ConnieStorer,

    Does anyone have the name of a Company that could help facilitate the merger of an overfunded sole proprietor plan with an unrelated company that has an underfunded plan?  Thanks for any suggestions.  We cannot increase benefits for this sole prop and he has no employees that can be added to the Plan.  He really wants to avoid the huge tax liability with a reversion.


    Participating Employers, employees and deferrals

    Pammie57
    By Pammie57,

    An employee of a participating employer in a plan gets a W-2 and defers on it.  They are also a partner in the other participating employer and have a large  net loss.  Do I have to net the two incomes and show them with a loss for the plan purposes?  They did defer on their wages.   


    Partner Deferred on Draw and has a loss for SE income

    Pammie57
    By Pammie57,

    For 2019, both partners of a company deferred $13,000 each during the plan year based on their draw.  Once we received the K-1 from the CPA, it is evident that both partners had a loss for the year of -41,500 each (no guaranteed payments either). 

    Do they receive a distribution of the ineligible deferrals plus earnings or does it forfeit and stay in the plan?  What code section does this violate - 415?  or something else?  


    402(g) Violation?

    Joe L
    By Joe L,

    Participant X is in two 401(k) plans for 2019.  He is less than 50 years old.  In plan A he defers $10,000 in 2019.  In plan B he defers $10,000 in 2019.  In plan A, he is an HCE.  The plan fails ADP testing and he is refunded $1,000.  Has he violated 402(g) for 2019?


    Key employee determination in a short plan year

    SW77
    By SW77,

    We administer a plan that was amended from a 12/31 year end to a 6/30 year end, creating a short plan year from 1/1/2020 to 6/30/2020. 

    The limitation year is the plan year.

    The plan has an Officer (not previously a key employee) who has compensation of $93,000 for the 6 month short plan year ending 6/30/2020.

    Regarding the top heavy test and key employee determination (Officer Test) for a short plan year. From what I've found in the EOB, it indicates that while there is not specific regulatory guidance, it would be reasonable to either prorate the compensation test for the short period, or it would also be reasonable to annualize an employee’s actual compensation for the 6 month plan year.

    Curious to what others may have done or would do in this scenario for key determination.

    Thank you.


    Maxing Annual Additions Plus Funding Backdoor Roth

    AJC
    By AJC,

    I have a client under age 50 who makes $500K annually and has been contributing the annual additions limit under his 401(k) plan and also contributing to a backdoor Roth (via traditional IRA) for the past half-dozen years or so. I just learned about the client funding the backdoor Roth. The client's investment broker says, all is well. I admit that I have not been this close to a backdoor Roth before. Is it possible to contribute the annual additions limit in the 401(k) plan (all pre-tax) and fund a backdoor Roth? How is it possible without exceeding the annual additions limits? And if it is wrong, how is it corrected?


    removal of participating employer who is no longer related

    WCC
    By WCC,

    Companies A and B were related due to a controlled group. Company A sponsors a qualified plan, Company B is a participating employer. Due to recent ownership changes the companies are no longer related. Company B decides to terminate all employees and the entity will no longer exist. Company B will be removed as a participating employer. Company A does not want the balances of Company B participants to remain in the plan due to administrative concerns. 

    Question: What can be done with the balances of the terminated Company B participants who have funds in the plan? Is there any exception to forcing out a participant whose balance exceeds $5,000 in this situation?

    I have not found this situation addressed in the plan document.

    Thank you


    controlled group

    Lou81
    By Lou81,

    I just want to confirm...

    I have 3 companies

    Father owns 100% of company A & B

    Daughter (over age 21)  owns 51% of company C and Father owns 49% of company C

    A & B are controlled

    C is not controlled.

    I appreciate your help!

    Thank you !


    Filing deadline for 5500 with short plan year

    Kimberly Valentine-Pierrot
    By Kimberly Valentine-Pierrot,

    Can someone please offer clarification on the final filing deadline for a DB plan with short plan year and extension? The short plan year is for 2020 and the assets were all liquidated on 2/7/2020. That said, without an extension, the 5500 is due by 9/7/2020, right? Also, would the 5558 need to use a plan year end date of 9/7/2020 with an extension date of 11/22/2020. I have researched but did  not find situation with odd dates like this ours. Thanks!


    Dumb question about top-heavy

    thepensionmaven
    By thepensionmaven,

    My client maintains a cash balance and PSP.  Plans were top heavy for 2018, so the TH contribution has to be made.

    Plan calls for both HCE and NHCE to get TH, which is provided in the PS.

    DB has been funded for 2019 and has terminated 2/28/2020.

    Can the owners waive the SH contribution to the PSP if money is an issue?


    Final Filing Form 5500-EZ - Distributions?

    JMP
    By JMP,

    Do you need to report the Distribution Total for the plan participant on the Final FOrm 5500-EZ?

    1 person plan, terminated plan, rollover all assets to IRA....do I report the rollover assets on Form 5500-ez somewhere, or just simply put $0 at the end of the year?

    When do you use the Total Plan Liabilities in Part III?


    Wrong Participant Count, No Audit Filed Ever, Want to Terminate

    401 Chaos
    By 401 Chaos,

    I think I probably know how this is likely to have to play out but welcome any suggestions from the leaned group here.

    Company has had a 401(k) plan for a few years now.  They have over 300 eligible employees / "participants" but have never had more than 50 active participants in the plan in a particular year.  They have timely filed 5500s (well--actually 5500-SFs) for all the years but misconstrued how "participants" are determined and counted and so reported only active participants.  As a result, audits have never been conducted / filed for the plan.  With even fewer people participating due to COVID and the employer facing financial issues, they have decided the plan is not worth the expense and want to terminate altogether.  Then, some helpful soul early on in the termination process noted the need to file a final Form 5500 and audit in connection with terminating which got them asking "what audit."

    Without that helpful notation of the audit requirement, they likely would have terminated the plan, filed a 5500 as in the past with no audit and rolled along without obvious issues and been blissfully ignorant.  Now that they know the errors of their ways, however, nobody can sign the final Form 5500 without an audit without perjuring themselves.  And they'll need to get audits for the prior years in order to get an audit for the 2020 final year.  Which is, of course, all going to be very expensive for a company that headed down this path because of financial concerns.

    Oh, and my suspicion is that, like the mistake in counting participants, there are likely to be some other "issues" that may get surfaced as the result of any audit.

    Any ideas for coming at this in an appropriate but most efficient and least costly manner?


    What's the mandatory withholding?

    JAS76
    By JAS76,

    Small payout to a beneficiary. No other assets distributed to this beneficiary before or after.

    $416.23 gross amount in pretax Code 4 monies 

    $425.03 gross Roth Code 4B monies of which $329.75 is basis ($85.28 in Roth earnings)

    What's the mandatory withholding? Don't read anything fancy into the situation. It's just a basic, non-CARES Act related payout to a beneficiary.

    Let me know if I've left out a pertinent fact, though. Thanks.


    Safe Harbor Match Timing Error

    Catch22PGM
    By Catch22PGM,

    Four different 401(k) plans for a control group.  The plan sponsors have always calculated and deposited their safe harbor match every pay period - since 2012. When the documents were restated for PPA their TPA (not me) did not check the box in the adoption agreements to indicate the safe harbor match was calculated and deposited every pay period - instead they are shown as being calculated and deposited at the end of year. I do not have copies of the SPD or Safe Harbor Notices but I would assume they state the same. There has never been a true-up of the safe harbor match in any of the plans.

    Their TPA had a new account manager take over all four plans for the 2019 plan year and the plan sponsors have been told that they need to go back to 2017 and provide true-up Safe Harbor Match - this is for a few hundred participants each year so we are talking about $100k or more total. Per the TPA's instruction two of the four plan sponsors sent letters to the affected participants notifying them that they will be receiving an additional Safe Harbor Match due to the error. I don't know why they only went back to 2017 instead of when the document errors were created (2014-2016), but those were the instructions given.

    My initial thought was to retroactively amend the plan documents to conform to its operations, but I could see 411(d)(6) issues. I believe the IRS has accepted retroactive amendments in similar situations. Has anyone had a similar experience that could share how the error was corrected?


    order of withdrawal

    Santo Gold
    By Santo Gold,

    A participant is 63 years old and per the plan, he can take an ISW (59-1/2) of all of his money.  The NRA is 65.  He has Roth, rollover, 401k, safe harbor and PS money in the plan.  He is 100% vested.

    He wants to take an ISW from the plan just from his Roth.  Is he required to take the ISW first from any of the pre-tax accounts?  The recordkeeper is saying that but I don't see where in the plan document that is required.  Is that an IRS requirement?

    Thanks


    Start-up Credit SECURE

    austin3515
    By austin3515,

    If an employer has a SIMPLE IRA plan and starts a 401k are they eligible for the start-up credit?  I wouldn't think so, but i can't seem to get any fine print information... 


    Adding Managed Accounts to Plan

    khn
    By khn,

    Is adding a Managed Account option to a Plan a fiduciary decision or a settlor function? 
    This would be giving participants the option to enroll in a managed account feature for a fee; they would not be autoenrolled.  A company wants to add the option but we think the fidcuiary committee would need to vote on it. Thoughts?


    457 checklists

    ESI2015
    By ESI2015,

    Do any practitioners on this message board have a checksheet template you are using when you developed the processes you would put in place each year to help your administrators get acclimated with the steps that would need to be performed on a 457 plan each year from a recordkeeping standpoint- trust accounting, tracking of increased salary reductions in 3 years before NRA, processing and timing of distributions, etc?


    Fixed Match-Amendment to remove

    justatester
    By justatester,

    Plan has a fixed match with last day/1000 hours requirement (waived for RDD)

    12/31 PYE

    Effective 7/1/2020 they amend to remove the match.  Are they obligated to fund the match through 7/1. I say no since no participant (except RDD) met the last day/hours.  For the RDD, I would think if the terminated prior to 7/1 they would be owed the contribution.

     

    What if the plan is a 6/30 PYE and they amended the plan effective 6/30 to remove the fixed match? (Plan has last day/hours requirement)  I am thinking they owe the match since it was removed on the last day.  Had they amended the plan on 6/29, I think they would not owe the match.

    Thoughts?


    SSA Notice- Benefit Due

    52626
    By 52626,

    former participant received a notice from Social Security she had a benefit under her former employer's plan.

    the participant terminated back in 1989. The plan has changed TPAs and recordkeepers a couple of times since the 1989 termination date and finding the detail as to what happened to her account (paid/rolled to default IRA) has been challenging.

    What is the employer's responsibility regarding this matter. If they can not prove the benefit was distributed is the employer responsible to pay the former participant?

    Does the employer have to fund the amount on the notice to the plan then have the plan issue payment and tax reporting to the participant?

    thanks


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