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    terminating and then starting a new plan

    Santo Gold
    By Santo Gold,

    We are looking at an employer who terminated a plan earlier this year and recently paid everyone out.  He wanted to start a new one but he's got to wait at least 12 months.

    But he also owns 2 subsidiary companies.  If either or both of the subsidiaries were not participating in the original 401k plan, could they start a plan up immediately, even though the owner of the main company and the 2 subsidiaries had sponsored the original plan?

    Thanks for any replies.


    OOPS Roth conversion

    SoCalActuary
    By SoCalActuary,

    Participant has existing accounts in 401k plan and wants to convert part of the pre-tax accounts to in-house Roth, accepting tax consequences.

    They get sloppy and check the box to convert all of their account. Trustee has completed the transfer in the past few weeks.

    Participant realizes their error and wants to reverse the transaction.  Trustee wants an opinion on what is allowed and what is taxable.

    Simple answer would be that it was already done, no looking back. But can the Trustee allow the correction and restore part of plan accounts back?


    Controlled Group Coverage

    justatester
    By justatester,

    This one goes into the category....just doesn't seem correct.

    2 plans:

    Plan A:  Age 21, no service requirement: Excludes all EEs except Pharmacists and Managers

    Plan B:  Age 21, 1 YOS no exclusions

    Both plans are safe harbor.

    After 1 YOS, the pharmacist/managers move over to plan B (at least in payrolls eyes). 

    I am not sure of several things.  1) what provisions makes the Pharmacists and   manager "no longer" eligible for Plan A.  I believe there are still eligible 2) What about coverage? Can the plans be aggregated for coverage purposes? If so, are they still safe harbor since less than 1 YOS ee except Pharmacists and mangers are not eligible.  How do I count those non manager/pharmacist ees in combined coverage?

    I think that the manager/pharmacists are still eligible for Plan A and therefore they will not pass coverage..  It just seems a bit fishy to me.

     


    Underfunded frozen PBGC Plan

    SSRRS
    By SSRRS,

    The NRA is 62. For funding assumed the two partners will actually retire at 64. If the plan is underfunded based on 62, however, based on 64 it is not underfunded (plan does not give increases  past NRA). Since the partners are legally entitled to their benefits at 62, and the assets are not sufficient to cover this, would this plan qualify for the Underfunded frozen PBGC Plan exception to 401(a)(26)? Thank you.


    Pension Trust Form 5471/Foreign Corporation Filing

    MAK
    By MAK,

    I represent a large defined benefit master trust which has been advised by its tax adviser that it may need to file a Form 5471 (Information Return of U.S. Persons With Respect to Certain Foreign Corporations) because it owns over 10% of a foreign investment that qualifies as a CFC.  This form is supposed to be filed with an income tax return (or, if applicable, partnership or exempt organization (Form 990) return).  The trust is not otherwise required to file a Form 990 because it has no income to report.  Does anyone have experience with a trust taking the position that a Form 5471 is not required under these circumstances because there is no required tax return?  Or is the trust required to now file a Form 990 (reporting no income) so it has a tax return to which the Form 5471 can be attached?


    412e3 conversion to Cash balance plan - guidance reqd

    pshah
    By pshah,

    Looking for guidance to convert 412e3 plan into Cash balance plan. Am a single owner S-corp 44 years with 2 years into 412(e)3 plan with Whole life and Annuities.

    Life insurance was not required personally and seems foolish now to got sold into policy by the CPA. (should have been a red flag that CPA is the sales agent). I was not even mentioned about the CB plan option that looks more attractive with conservative investment strategies and flexibility compared to 412e3.

    Can the 412e3 converted into Cash balance plan instead of Termination? Any references for good companies with this kind of experience will be appreciated.

    Goal is to fund the pension plan in 10-12 years instead of stretching for 20 years.


    457b Installment Distribution - when is it deemed late?

    waid10
    By waid10,

    Hi.  We have a few participants that are receiving installment distributions (monthly) from their 457(b) accounts.  Typically the monthly distribution occurs on the 15th of the month.  Due to an administrative issue, the distribution still has not occurred for September.  At what point is the distribution deemed late?  And what type of correction is required?

    Thanks.


    SH amount owed

    Becky Schwing
    By Becky Schwing,

    New plan - effective date 01/01/2018

    4 employees - Dr. & his spouse & 2 non-related staff members

    Allows for EE deferrals, Profit Sharing & SHNE.

    SHNE limited to only NHCE's

    EE deferral and SHNE component of plan set up with special effective date of 10/01/2018

    4 employee all became eligible 07/01/2018 

    Compensation is based on full year pay - not date of entry

    Only contributions into the plan will be two $18,500 contributions made by the doctor and his spouse and the 3% safe harbor to the two staff members (neither of the two staff members deferred)

    When calculating the 3% safe harbor non-elective for the 2018 plan year is the SHNE contribution based on just compensation from 10-01-2018 to 12-31-2018 due to the SH being effective 10/01/2018?  Or should it be on the full year compensation 01/01/2018 to 12/31/2018?  Plan will be top-heavy for 2018 based on the two HCE's deferral but it is a consists solely of plan. 


    Guaranteed Bonus

    Gadgetfreak
    By Gadgetfreak,

    I just received and interesting question from a client whose Plan EXCLUDES bonuses from the definition of Plan Compensation:

    "Participant has a $30K/year guaranteed hours bonus to his base salary.  Owner uses the term ‘bonus’, but the spirit of the hours bonus is really to incentivize attorneys to meet a set goal of hours.  Since participant's amount is guaranteed for this year (and next), is it fair to say that this should simply be classified as regular salary?"

    What does everyone think?


    Spin off from MEP

    cpc0506
    By cpc0506,

    Hello.

    We have a prospective client that is looking to pull out of a MEP and start their own plan effective October 1, 2019.  Current MEP provisions include a safe harbor non-elective contribution.  New document to include a safe harbor non-elective.

    1.  Does the client lose safe harbor status by pulling out of the MEP before the MEP plan year ends?  I think so.  What are your thoughts?  The new plan being established is also a safe harbor plan.  Does that make any difference?  Do the ER contributions made in the MEP and the contributions made to the new plan need to be tested together?  New plan has a new comp allocation formula.  Still waiting for prior MEP Participating Employer agreement to determine prior ER contributions and allocation conditions.

    2. In the above example, what if the client is pulling out of the MEP (safe harbor provisions)  because it has been purchased by an other entity, Employer A.  And Employer A is setting up a new plan effective 10/1/19 , which is not safe harbor?  I believe that safe harbor provisions are preserved due to business transaction.  what are your thoughts?


    MEWAs and Statutory Employees

    Chaz
    By Chaz,

    I have a deep in the weeds question with a narrow application that I wonder if anyone has come across:

    Background

    The Code has a concept of a "statutory employee," which  makes an otherwise non-common law employee an employee for employment tax (but not for income tax) purposes.  These employees receive a W-2 with box 13 checked.  A common type of statutory employees are full-time life insurance salespersons. The Code also provides that a full-time life insurance salesperson is treated as an "employee" for purposes of participating in a qualified retirement plan and for Code Sections 104, 105, 106, 125, and certain other sections (which generally provide that an employer can provide welfare benefits on a tax-favored basis).

    ERISA generally subjects welfare plans that cover employees of two or more unrelated employers to state insurance law (among other things) because the plan is a MEWA.  If an entity provides benefits to independent contractors, for example, it risks creating a MEWA.

    Question

    Can a life insurance company offer welfare benefits to its full-time life insurance salespersons (i.e., ones who are statutory employees) without creating a MEWA?

    While the Code provides for favorable tax treatment on providing these benefits, it does not appear as if ERISA will permit this type of arrangement without invoking the dreaded MEWA rules because these salespersons are not common law employees.  (The Code is not ERISA and ERISA is not the Code.)   At least, I have not found any DOL guidance that addresses this issue.

    Has anyone come across this admittedly obscure situation?

    Thanks


    Closed MEP Safe Harbor spinning off assets after 10/1

    gdlfa
    By gdlfa,

    If there is a plan sponsor who wants to switch from a Closed MEP to their own plan after 10/1, and they currently have safe harbor status with the Closed MEP, can they maintain that safe harbor status with the new spinoff plan?  I have been researching and see mixed opinions, but nothing definite.


    To terminate or to not terminate?

    ERISAgeek111
    By ERISAgeek111,

    A client (owner of a two-member LLC) is considering selling his business (the LLC) or transferring his interests to the other member (his brother).  The LLC maintains a defined benefit plan for the LLC's members/employees.  Does the LLC have to or should it terminate the plan? Can the plan continue in effect? Under what circumstances would it be best to terminate the plan? Should the plan be frozen regardless? 


    Interesting question re mid-year amendment to SH plan

    Belgarath
    By Belgarath,

    Unusual question came up. Sole prop - plan is a 3% SH plan, HC's are NOT excluded.

    It has been proposed that the plan be amended to exclude the sole prop from receiving the SH for 2019, on the grounds that since the sole prop isn't required to receive a SH (if the plan is set up that way) that it is ok.

    To me, this seems like a very aggressive approach, and I wouldn't do it. However, I always like to hear the opinions of others - anyone have a different viewpoint?


    Tax Treatment of Group Legal Coverage

    rocknrolls2
    By rocknrolls2,

    A client maintains a VEBA which provides the following coverages: dental, life insurance, critical illness and accident benefits, vision coverage and group legal services coverage. All coverages except group legal coverage are excludable from the participants' gross income. The employer pays the premium for all such coverages and employees do not have the ability to choose whether or not to have certain coverages, other than to indicate for dental and vision whether the coverage is for the employee only, the employee and spouse or family coverage. If the client was unaware that the group legal plan was not excludable from members' gross income but learns for the first time that such coverage is taxable, should the client limit the taxability of such coverage to the current year and prospectively thereafter, prospectively only from the point of learning its true taxability or should the employer retroactively revise its tax treatment of such coverage?

    A related question relates to the treatment of benefits received for such coverage. Section 120 of the Code excluded both the employer's contribution or premium payment for coverage as well as the value of benefits received for such coverage. How should the employer determine the value of such coverage for tax purposes?

    A final question is whether the group legal benefit should be completely removed from the VEBA since it is taxable.

    Thank you.


    excess match for one NHCE

    M Norton
    By M Norton,

    Traditional 401(k) - not safe harbor - plan sponsor had small system glitch in last half of 2018 and one NHCE received $86 more match that he should have.  It was discovered during the audit.  HCEs received refunds of excess deferrals for failed ADP.  Plan sponsor would prefer not to ask for the $86 back from NHCE.  Is that an option for them or does that cause other problems?

    We deal mostly with SH 401(k) plans so we are a little cold on how to address this.

    Thanks!


    Spin off and protected benefits

    cpc0506
    By cpc0506,

    We have a plan that is a spin off from another plan.  Do we have issues regarding protected benefits that need to be addressed in the new plan's AA?

    Thank you for your replies.


    Partial Plan Termination

    khn
    By khn,

    A company had a layoff where 30% of their employees were let go in February 2019, so it's a clear partial plan termination and they will be 100% vested. IRS guidance seems to indicate that any other participants who leave the company during the same plan year, even voluntarily, would also become 100% vested. Is that correct?

    "An affected employee in a partial termination is generally anyone who left employment for any reason during the plan year in which the partial termination occurred and who still has an account balance under the plan."


    Boys and Girls Club

    cpc0506
    By cpc0506,

    We are working through our list of clients that need the PPA restatement for their current documents.

    I have come across a plan for a Boys and Girls Club.  I know that 'nonprofit recreational clubs' are tax exempt but cannot sponsor a 403b plan.  Would a Boys and Girls Club fall under this definition of 'nonprofit recreational clubs'? 

    Does anyone reading this blog have Boys and Girls Club as a client who have a 403b plan?  Or is it enough that the Form 990 reflects the company as a 501(c)(3) organization?

    Thanks for any guidance you can provide.


    Asset Sale

    Chippy
    By Chippy,

    A current physician practice bought another practice in an asset sale.   the Assets of the benefits plans were not included in the sale.     May the new employer bring the employees of that plan into their plan immediately and count service with the prior employer for eligibility and vesting?    Is a plan amendment needed?   thank you


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