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Everything posted by Carol V. Calhoun
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I have not seen specific guidance on this issue, but I seriously doubt that the IRS would allow an employee to make any kind of election (including an election of a DROP plan) that would affect the pickup. For a long time, the IRS permitted various "one-time elections" that related only to specific compensation to be used to establish a pick-up arrangement. For example, an employee who elected to purchase service credit could be permitted to have that purchase done on a pickup basis, or an employee entering a new plan could be permitted to elect to have picked up contributions made to that new plan. However, in Rev. Rul. 2006-43, the IRS stated that a pickup cannot be a cash or deferred arrangement. Treas. Reg. 1.401(k)-1(a)(3)(v) provides as follows: Example 5 of that regulation reads as follow: Thus, any election into a picked up contribution must truly be irrevocable upon the employee's first participation in any plan of the employer, and cannot be modified even if the employer adopts a new plan. The IRS has recently reiterated the conclusions of Rev. Rul. 2006-43 in Private Letter Ruling 201425026. Based on the above analysis, I think it extremely unlikely that the IRS would permit an employee to make an election during employment that would end the pickup, even if it were for the purpose of participating in a DROP plan.
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The only way this works is if employees make a one-time irrevocable election when they first become eligible under any plan of the employer, and cannot later change that election. Under Treas. Reg section 1.401(k)-1(a)(3)(iv): Under Rev. Rul. 2006-43, 2006-35 IRB 329, a pick-up cannot be a cash or deferred arrangement. Thus, if employees are to have an election as to whether contributions are made, it must be a one-time irrevocable election made no later than the employee's first becoming eligible under the plan or any other plan or arrangement of the employer. See Private Letter Ruling 201532036 (August 7, 2015).
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Profit Sharing Conversion to Money Purchse
Carol V. Calhoun replied to DTH's topic in Governmental Plans
I don't see why it would be a problem, unless the changes became so frequent that they created an issue with the plan being "permanent." However, I'm curious why they would want to do this. For a governmental employer, what would be the advantage of having a money purchase plan? -
Dual Status Public Ed
Carol V. Calhoun replied to DTH's topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities
No, but only because there are very few dual status public education entities. The usual reason a governmental entity seeks 501©(3) status is to be able to offer a 403(b) plan. However, since a public school or university can offer a 403(b) plan without getting 501©(3) status, few of them apply for it. That being said, a governmental plan is exempt from ERISA, regardless of whether it also has 501©(3) status, so this should not be an issue. -
There are, in general, two advantages to a 403(b) plan. First, if there are only employee pretax employee contributions (no employer matching or other employer contributions), and certain Department of Labor requirements are met, the plan is not subject to ERISA and therefore escapes Form 5500 and other ERISA requirements. Second, so long as all employees are permitted to make contributions, the nondiscrimination rules do not apply, so you don't have to run ADP tests. The disadvantages of a 403(b) plan are that the fees are often higher than with a 401(k), and there are fewer providers (meaning competition is less, and it may be harder to find one with a good investment return). You'll just need to look at all the pros and cons in your situation to figure out which works best for you.
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Used to be FT, now PT. Still eligible?
Carol V. Calhoun replied to Santo Gold's topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities
Legally, it is acceptable to exclude the employee if and only if the employee (a) currently normally works less than 20 hours per week, and (b) worked less than 1,000 hours in the preceding plan year. Of course, you would also have to look at the plan terms to make sure that they provided for the exclusion of such employees. As QDROphile suggests, excluding such employees is not particularly good plan design. Since we are talking solely about amounts deducted from an employee's pay, allowing the employee to participate provides a substantial benefit to the employee at trivial cost to the employer. However, excluding such employees is not illegal. -
Has anyone heard anything about when the IRS is likely to announce the new limits?
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Purchasing Service Credits in Pension Question
Carol V. Calhoun replied to Zoraster's topic in Governmental Plans
1. Plan-to-plan transfers from an eligible 457 plan to a governmental defined benefit plan for permissive service credit purchases can be made at any time, provided that the plans permit such transfers, and you do not need to be eligible for a distribution at the time the transfers are made. The trust or annuity used to hold the assets of the 457 plan would cut the check directly to the defined benefit plan. Thus, no deductions from wages would be necessary to the extent the money came from the 457 plan. Moreover, this would not be a rollover, because a rollover occurs only if you are entitled to a distribution. To the extent that the cost of the service credit purchase is greater than the amount in the 457 plan, the way to make the extra contribution pretax is to have the defined benefit plan provide for the additional benefit for you, and for your employer to contribute directly to the plan to fund the benefit. That language would have to provide that the contribution was mandatory on your employer's part, and that you could not receive the amount in cash by declining the contribution. If you simply pay for the purchase of service credit out of your wages, it would be on a post-tax basis. 2. As stated above, the movement of money from the 457 plan to the DB plan would not be a rollover, but a plan-to-plan transfer. Such a transfer is not taxable to you. However, as stated above, the contributions to the DB plan that exceed the 457 amount may or may not be pretax, depending on how they are structured. 3. The plan language needs to provide for the transactions. I'm not sure how "vague" the language is now, and whether it could be construed to cover your situation. However, for example, if it provides that purchases of service credit can occur only through payroll deduction, you'd need to have both plans amended so that the transfer from the 457 plan to the DB plan was allowed. Even if the plans already provide for plan-to-plan transfers to purchase service credit, the DB plan might need to be amended if the employer is to make contributions to fund that portion of the benefit not covered by the 457 plan. -
Life insurance in a 457(b) eligibile plan (tax exempt)
Carol V. Calhoun replied to Scuba 401's topic in 457 Plans
Yes, the death benefit is taxable to the spouse, regardless of whether the employee was still employed immediately prior to death. (I'm seriously hoping that the employee was not employed after death!) Assets of a 457 plan must be held by the employer, or by a rabbi trust considered part of the assets of the employer. Thus, they do not actually fund the benefit; they merely serve as measurement of the amount of the benefit. And distributions from a 457 plan are taxable to the employee, regardless of what assets are used to measure the benefit. If the employee separates from service and is still alive, again the life insurance merely measures the amount of the benefit, and the employee is taxable on the benefit received. If the employer chooses to distribute benefits in the form of a life insurance contract, then the fair market value of that contract is taxable to the employee. -
Every previous year, the IRS COLA limits have been released the same day as the Social Security limits. I'm hoping that will happen this year, but haven't seen any sign of the IRS limits yet.
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Plan participant has requested direct deposit of a plan payout to a bank account. The bank account is a joint account with another individual (not the spouse), and the plan has reason to believe the other individual is sketchy. Any thoughts on a) whether it is acceptable to pay to a joint account at all (since it represents payment in part to a party other than a plan participant), and b) whether the plan has any duty of inquiry to make sure, for example, that this is not a situation in which the right to payments has been assigned to a creditor? My sense is that payment to a joint account is fairly common, and that so long as the payment is made pursuant to the request of the participant, the plan has no further duty of inquiry. After all, once a check was cut, the participant could transfer the money to another party herself. And I've seen in the past situations in which a creditor showed up with the participant, and the participant signed over the check to the creditor on the spot. However, I'm not finding specific authority on point.
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It is clearly the employer's responsibility to refund, not the plan's. It was the employer that erroneously sent the contributions. The amounts contributed would have been wages if correctly paid at the time to the employee instead of the plan. Thus, to put her back in the position in which she should have been, they should be wages (not pension distributions) now. Moreover, depending on her age, distributing them them from the plan could result in the 10% additional tax. Unfortunately, I cannot think of any alternatives if the Payroll Mgr is not budging. All you can do is tell the employee that it is the employer which is responsible for the refund, and that she needs to pursue the issue there.
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403(b) transfers/rollover/exchange
Carol V. Calhoun replied to Miannette's topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities
Even though legally, a 403(b) plan can provide for plan-to-plan transfers before one of these events, it is not required to do so. Apparently, there is a dispute between TSA Consulting Group, Inc. and your employer as to whether the plan terms provide for such a transfer. You'd need to request a copy of the actual plan document to figure out which one is correct. -
15 Year Catch-up for a private school
Carol V. Calhoun replied to cprisco's topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities
Any public or private school would qualify. IRC section 402(g)(7)(A) limits the 15-year catch-up to "qualified employee of a qualified organization." IRC section 402(g)(7)(B) defines "qualified organization" as follows: So an "educational organization," public or private, would qualify. -
Matching contributions based upon deferrals to 457 plan
Carol V. Calhoun replied to Belgarath's topic in Governmental Plans
I'd say it's reasonably common. In a 401(k) or 403(b) plan, matching contributions are normally made to the same plan as the employee deferrals, and the 402(g) limit does not apply to the matching contributions. However, in a 457(b) plan, all contributions (not just employee deferrals) count toward the maximum limits. Thus, if matching contributions are made to the 457(b) plan itself, they will reduce employee deferrals. The only way around that is to have a separate plan to which employer matching contributions are made. -
I don't think individually designed plans can be required to restate periodically. If the documents as a whole (even if they consist of an original plan plus 35 amendments) are qualified, on what possible basis could the IRS require a restatement? It's only weapon would be plan disqualification, and I can't see how that applies. On the other hand, I would still advise a client to restate periodically. Clients have enough trouble figuring out what their plans say when it's all in one document. If they have to piece together bits of things from a bunch of documents, the probability of correct interpretation goes way down.
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Yeah, I could understand if the make-up were equal only to the earnings on the missed contribution. But the earnings appear to be a whole separate computation. And ironically, the fact that the employer cannot make up the 2015 contribution until 2016 means that more earnings will be lost, that will then have to be made up.
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So if the participant elects max deferrals, she ends up getting the entire 402(g) amount, plus the QNEC, even though that exceeds the amount she could have put aside for 2015 in the absence of the error? I agree this is a reasonable reading of the Rev. Proc., but it strikes me as nonsensical from a practical perspective. Then again, other interpretations also strike me a nonsensical. We could, for example, assume that the QNEC would count as part of the 402(g) amount (even though a QNEC is not normally counted toward 402(g)), on the theory that it replaces a contribution that would normally be subject to 402(g). But given that the contribution can't be made until after the end of 2015, that would mean that there would be no way to figure out during 2015 what the maximum amount she could contribute would be.
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I've got a plan that erroneously excluded a total of three employees in 2014 and one in 2015. It looks like the employer can use the new corrections procedure in Rev. Proc. 2015-28 (requiring only a 25% QNEC instead of a 50% QNEC to make up for the lost deferral opportunity). For 2014, it's fairly clear how this is to be done. However, I've got questions with respect to 2015: Is there a missed deferral opportunity at all for 2015? The Rev. Proc. says you've got to give the employee a notice saying that he or she can make up the missed deferrals, subject to the 402(g) limits. Since we're only halfway through the year, the employee should be able to defer the full 402(g) amount in the second half of the year. At the same time, the procedures are different if the error is discovered within 3 months than if it is discovered thereafter, so presumably some correction is required if the error goes on for more than 3 months but still within the same year? If the employer has to make a QNEC for 2015, how is it calculated? The QNEC is based on the ADP of the HCE or NHCE group. But presumably, the ADP can't be calculated until after the end of 2015. Does the employer have to defer the contribution until after 2015 ends, or is there some way to determine the amount of the QNEC before that time? The notice to the employee must include "A statement that appropriate amounts have begun to be deducted from compensation and contributed to the plan (or that appropriate deductions and contributions will begin shortly)." What does this mean in the context of employee elective deferrals? Presumably, no amounts should be deducted from compensation until and unless the employee makes a deferral election.
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Correction of employee erroneously excluded for 2015
Carol V. Calhoun posted a topic in 401(k) Plans
I've got a plan that erroneously excluded a total of three employees in 2014 and one in 2015. It looks like the employer can use the new corrections procedure in Rev. Proc. 2015-28 (requiring only a 25% QNEC instead of a 50% QNEC to make up for the lost deferral opportunity). For 2014, it's fairly clear how this is to be done. However, I've got questions with respect to 2015: Is there a missed deferral opportunity at all for 2015? The Rev. Proc. says you've got to give the employee a notice saying that he or she can make up the missed deferrals, subject to the 402(g) limits. Since we're only halfway through the year, the employee should be able to defer the full 402(g) amount in the second half of the year. At the same time, the procedures are different if the error is discovered within 3 months than if it is discovered thereafter, so presumably some correction is required if the error goes on for more than 3 months but still within the same year? If the employer has to make a QNEC for 2015, how is it calculated? The QNEC is based on the ADP of the HCE or NHCE group. But presumably, the ADP can't be calculated until after the end of 2015. Does the employer have to defer the contribution until after 2015 ends, or is there some way to determine the amount of the QNEC before that time? The notice to the employee must include "A statement that appropriate amounts have begun to be deducted from compensation and contributed to the plan (or that appropriate deductions and contributions will begin shortly)." What does this mean in the context of employee elective deferrals? Presumably, no amounts should be deducted from compensation until and unless the employee makes a deferral election. -
Correction of Pick-up - ineligible employee
Carol V. Calhoun replied to JJRetirement's topic in Governmental Plans
This is not one of the issues covered in the example corrections, so any corrections method would have to be cleared with the IRS on filing of the VCP submission. Thus, you are not going to get a definitive answer. However, I can think of a couple of possible corrections methods you could consider. The first method is based on the fact that in general, picked up contributions are treated as employer contributions. The pickup rules were originally adopted to reflect the fact that a private employer could simply make a nondiscretionary employer contribution to a plan (and calculate the wages it was willing to pay by taking into account the contributions made), and thereby cause the contribution to be pretax. However, a governmental employer was often subject to the terms of a statewide plan that called for a particular level of mandatory employee contributions, and had no ability to modify the plan to eliminate such contributions and substitute nondiscretionary employer contributions. The pick-up rules allowed a governmental employer by resolution to redefine mandatory employee contributions as nondiscretionary employer contributions, and thus to achieve the result a private employer could have obtained by amending the plan. (It is for this reason that pick-ups are limited to governmental employers.) If we treat a pick-up as a nondiscretionary employer contribution, it would seem that the appropriate correction method would be to treat the employees as having been improperly included in the plan, or as having received contributions in excess of those permitted by the terms of the plan. In either event, the picked up contributions to the plan would be treated as employer contributions, and would be forfeited by the employee. (The forfeitures could be used to reduce future employer contributions to the plan.) To the extent that employees' wages were erroneously reduced to reflect the erroneous contributions, the employer should be paying back wages to the employee equal to the erroneously made contributions plus interest thereon. Alternatively, the picked up contributions might be treated under the rules applicable to erroneous 401(k) contributions. In this case, the excess contributions would be returned directly to the employee, with earnings, and include a written notice explaining the refund is taxable and not eligible for rollover. As a theoretical matter, I think the first approach is better, because it reflects the fact that the contributions were not discretionary with the employee. However, I don't know that the IRS would care about the theory all that much so long as the result was equitable. The net effect of either of these methods is similar. The employee gets the same amount back. The difference is whether the amount comes from the plan or from the employer. But even if it comes from the employer, the employer can get a corresponding reduction in future contributions. And Social Security should not be owed on the back wages under the first approach, because you have said that Social Security was already paid when the contributions were made.- 1 reply
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No. ERISA section 203 is part of Subchapter I of ERISA. ERISA section 4 states that The only vesting standards to which governmental plans are subject are those found in the Internal Revenue Code. See this link for the IRS position concerning what vesting standards would apply to a governmental 401(a) plan.
