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It's to keep some HCE from terminating early in the year with all 20,500 deferred but maybe only 60,000 in wages earned to date making a mess of the test and causing ALL the 20,500 people for the year to have to take a refund.
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Control Group and PBGC Coverage
Bri replied to Catch22PGM's topic in Defined Benefit Plans, Including Cash Balance
I'd say no, because a 0% benefit for the wife means you only have one out of a total of three people benefiting. Throw her in at a 401(a)(26) minimum and you're probably good to go on that. 2 out of 3 participating, then do the rest of the numerical fun to exclude the employee from the DB completely (to avoid PBGC) but benefit him/her enough in the PS plan for testing. -
If the IRS doesn't sic the DOL on the sponsor to prevent a DFVC filing at that point, it's on them....
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Data Entry Routine for importing/exporting data into/out of Relius's database.
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Ha, this is the "common" difference between W-2 wages and "wages for withholding purposes" under 3401, since that amount is typically not part of the 3401 definition. A quick peek over at the EOB indicates the amount is typically included in 415 compensation, if not explicitly excluded separately. But the prime consideration would be your plan's definition of Compensation.
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I remember taking over plans from a former TPA office that would do their owners-only on the SF via EFAST, but neglected to check off the "one-participant plan" box. So everything was out there on the DOL website for these plans even though they woulda/coulda/shoulda been shielded from public view.
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It's probably the only thing I'll defend ASC's admin software on, but they let you assign employees to components and test that way. I had a DC plan where an owner's kid was younger than everyone but they at least wanted him to get the same 5% gateway floor the NHCEs got, while the owners were up at like 20%. So Component 1 was on allocations, Component 2 was on a benefits basis.
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I agree with you Nate - it's also why I used to like AAs putting the integration level at "80% plus $1" even though you'd have to manually calculate/override that number each year in the admin software.
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I believe you actually have to - and see if your document has any overriding language in the section permitting the waiver indicating as such that the sponsor may have to make contributions anyway.
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I suppose that since 5330s are typically mailed, they would therefore be subject to manual data entry. In which case the expository details would indeed get picked up by someone at the Service. Whether that actually helps, though......
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They would be receivables if you also adjust the outstanding loan balances down to their value as of those payments posting. Like, let's say 12/31's payment is scheduled payment number 59. Either the loan balance is still at payment 58 (higher balance) with no payment receivable, or it's as of payment 59 (lower balance) with the payment in transit as a receivable. I've done it both ways, but always consistently within one plan's batch of loans. And I sorta remember being mad that John Hancock's recordkeeping "accrual" basis would adjust for receivable contributions but not receivable loan payments. (Does that sound accurate?)
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That sounds as though it would conflict with the 100% as elected, so I'd say that's an operational error to use a different integration level.
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Are you asking if the plan can use any other integration level below 100%? That's certainly fine. It looks as though your answer on (b)(4) of the adoption agreement you snipped in here shows an election explicitly for 100 (before the parenthetical note that it's not to exceed 100%). If you choose 46% of the TWB, then your tier three level is 1.3% as the "applicable percentage" as listed under Section 3.04(B)(2)(c), as I type the text from your snip. It's 2.7 if you choose 100%, or something less than 20%. It's 2.4 if you're between 80 and 100, and 1.3 if you're between 20 and 80% of the TWB.
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As someone who has a history of doing 5330s for late deferrals AFTER July 31, I will say the only time the IRS ever came back for additional interest was when the original computed tax amount was up around $500. (A couple of weeks late for a couple of years, inadvertently presumed to be just December amounts posting early in January.) Anyway, I suspect the size of the penalty might be coming into play, as to whether or not the IRS pursues any additional amounts.
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I would think that's an appropriate way to self-correct an insignificant error. Obviously document the calculations for any audit.
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I don't have a spreadsheet for it, but I do know the typical 4-step process is: a) everyone first gets their 3% to cover TH b) only then does the "excess piece" kick in, where folks next get up to 3% of their excess pay. If the contribution is just barely over a flat 3%, then you get a somewhat odd-looking case of people maybe getting 3% of pay plus only 0.6% of their excess pay. But often the whole 3% on excess pay (above the integration level) ends up filling up, too. c) Then with everyone at 3+3, you scale everyone up to as high as 4.3, 5.4, or 5.7% of combined "compensation plus excess compensation", depending on your integration level. Here's where, if the contribution amount runs out, you might end up the folks all getting 5.2% of compensation plus 5.2% of excess compensation (it's the same rate in both parts there, unlike in (b) above d) Once everyone's maxed out their excess piece there, the rest is pro rata, comp to comp.
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I might suggest it being deemed a QNEC to avoid putting any sort of vesting schedule on it. But yeah, your conforming amendment is going to need data on who actually got the CODA option versus who was just given the 1,000 unilaterally as a plan contribution versus those who got it unilaterally as a bonus.
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Check as to when the service may be disregarded. Sometimes it's spelled out specifically for "participants" but I do recall seeing a round of restatements changing that up to "employees" in the BPD so that it was clear that there'd be a minimum of five years before you could ignore any prior service. Basically the rule of parity, but for someone who wasn't a participant yet.
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I found this in DOL Reg. 2530.200-2(c): (4) In the case of hours of service to be credited to an employee in connection with a period of no more than 31 days which extends beyond one computation period, all such hours of service may be credited to the first computation period or the second computation period. Crediting of hours of service under this paragraph must be done consistently with respect to all employees within the same job classifications, reasonably defined. Basically I was looking to see whether the hours have to be specifically performed in the actual year, versus what's on the payroll records. Typically I would have asked a sponsor to lock in on "the actual 12 months" (such as hitting 1000 in their first 12 months, or double-checking whether to credit vesting for someone who came over on a census file with 998), but perhaps that's not absolutely necessary as long as it's done consistently.
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You've got the basic gist - forfeit the match they shouldn't have gotten, use it to fund everyone else next week. As for the 401(k) amount - they can issue that refund as an EPCRS correction, code E. It'll be taxable this year if they do it now, and will essentially serve to offset the extra deduction amount which will show up on their W-2 at the end of the year. Another valid choice is to run a makeup paycheck showing "negative 401k" - that way the participant gets it in his/her paycheck. And the account balance is then also forfeited, since that was an erroneous employer contribution, which the employer would use in the future, too. If the person's already been overpaid, then it goes into the latest EPCRS rules for recovering Overpayments. I suppose you could look into whether or not the post-severance compensation is at least eligible to be considered 415 compensation, and possibly do a corrective amendment to adjust just his definition of compensation for 2022. And could the extra match be re-categorized as a discretionary nonelective amount for the person? One of those things where, if the testing's not an issue, just retro-fit the document to match what you did so that nobody's faced with re-issued tax forms and that the person's payment amount ends up conforming to what's in print.
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May have to get into the weeds of the trust agreement, too - can one trustee act on behalf of all, does there need to be unanimity? Would the sponsor appoint a new trustee from among its current employees, but how long does a trustee "on the way out" retain the position? How soon will the recordkeeper be alerted if there has been a change at trustee. Ah, paperwork.....
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participant paid out twice
Bri replied to Santo Gold's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
I wouldn't think the participant pays back the withheld taxes, but rather just his 80% amount. A revised 1099-R would need to be issued, and I'd think the sponsor would amend its 945 filing to illustrate the overpayment of the taxes due. So that gets the sponsor the credit for the tax amount. The 1099 shows $0 for the second year, and no withholding "credit" either, for the employee. I don't know if the EFTPS folks would send BACK to the sponsor the overpayment of federal taxes, but the sponsor should be able to apply that excess against a future amount due for the next guy to be paid out, no? -
1) You would indeed use the more lenient eligibility between the two plans. So in your coverage testing group, it's everyone with 3 months. 2-3) This answer will depend on the nature of the contributions/benefits under the plan. But the eligibility provisions don't need to be uniform. It's just that plan B might have a few more people in that 3-6 month range who aren't benefiting. Have you considered separate testing for employees who haven't met the maximum age/service conditions of 410(a)? That could throw all these newer employees into a separate test, maybe with no HCEs anyway.
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Would it be appropriate - if possible - to get the YTD payroll data from the sponsor and calculate a sort of year-to-date 2022 ADP? Since this is self-correction, would an IRS examination agent balk at such methodology? Obviously easier with a smallish plan than with one where the eligibility for 1,000 people needs to be scrutinized.
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