Degrand
Registered-
Posts
54 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Recent Profile Visitors
649 profile views
-
Freeze Share Value for Term'd Employees?
Degrand replied to SadieJane's topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)
Segregation is common only when the stock is replaced with cash. The cash will need to be prudently invested. If you question is whether a company can keep a terminated employee invested in shares and freeze their value to a set price, there is no legal way to accomplishing that result. Stock held in an ESOP is required to be valued at least annually. -
I would run 409p testing prior to making any distributions in either cash or stock. You may have to convert to a C-corporation prior to distribution in order to pass testing. I have worked a few ESOP companies that have failed to run the test and failed 409p.
-
Accelerated distributions and BRF considerations?
Degrand replied to Nate S's topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)
My issue is the discretion of the administer and whether they comply with the definitely determinable rule. -
Esop Bank Account titling question
Degrand replied to Tax Cowboy's topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)
Just like a 401(k) plan if the ESOP has assets other than stock, it needs to be titled in the ESOP's name. Since the ESOP distributions of stock to participants can purchased by the company using the put option or the ESOP holding only stock, it is common for the ESOP to not have an checking or investment account. Just to confirm you are talking about an ESOP holding stock and other investments. In that case, the checking or investment account needs to be in the trusts name. -
I agree. The entire distribution from the ESOP should have been reported on the 1099R. I would fix the reporting filing since the distribution is from the ESOP and not the company.
-
Installment Distributions from an ESOP
Degrand replied to Trusty Trustee's topic in Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs)
@Cardscrazy, the consent and the 180 days is only applicable to the start of the distribution. Consent is not required for each of the installments. Just like a retirement plan does not need a participant's consent to each pension payment. -
ESOP companies usually use option 1 and the company may contribute the shares back into the ESOP. Option 2 doesn't work for two reasons. The investments in the ESOP are not participant directed. The investment in the stock doesn't meet an exception under the securities laws. While 409p may be an HCE issue, it isn't always the case. I have seen the IRS during an audit accept an in-service distribution of UBIT shares without questioning 401(a)(4) issue. However, it might have been because the stock usually went up 10-15% each year. The distribution of the stock wasn't looked at a favorable outcome to the participant.
-
Opinions Please RE COVID loan
Degrand replied to bzorc's topic in Distributions and Loans, Other than QDROs
the participant can take a 100K covid distribution. -
Less than 20 hours a week excluded
Degrand replied to austin3515's topic in 403(b) Plans, Accounts or Annuities
Your bigger issue is that an employees with 19.25 hours a week would have 1000 hours during a plan year. They would participate in the Plan. Also, would an employee become a participant if he/she works 21 hours during one of the week? -
Due to the profit sharing contribution being discretionary under the current plan terms, the employer can choose whatever rule they want to make the contribution.
-
Late profit sharing contribution
Degrand replied to Cynchbeast's topic in Retirement Plans in General
They will have to use the VCP for 415 failures.
