Guest Barbara Roper Posted December 10, 2002 Posted December 10, 2002 Our small (20-person) non-profit offers both a SEP-IRA, to which our employer contributes about five percent of employee salary each year, and a voluntary 401(k) to which the employer does not make contributions. It is our understanding that, under the SEP-IRA requirements, we must maintain a prototype plan document that allows contributions to both a 401(k) and a SEP- IRA. Our SEP-IRA provider, Vanguard, no longer makes such a document available to small groups such as our own. Our 401(k) provider, Paychex, has said it cannot provide such a document. It has also mentioned that our plans need to be co-tested -- information that is new to us one year into providing the 401(k). I have several questions: 1) Are we right in thinking we need to maintain a prototype plan document for a plan that allows contributions to both a 401(k) plan and a SEP-IRA? 2) If so, does anyone know how we can get such a document? 3) Is our 401(k) provider correct in telling us that the plans need to be co-tested? 4) If so, does anyone know who provides such services and what we should expect to pay?
Appleby Posted December 19, 2002 Posted December 19, 2002 Barbara, Yes. A 5305-SEP cannot be used if the plan sponsor adopts the SEP along with a qualified plan ( refer to IRS Form 5305-SEP). Instead, a prototype SEP must be used. Alternatively, have you considered adding a profit sharing feature to the 401(k) plan? The contributions and deduction limits are same as those for a SEP. Plus you will save money on account fees by consolidating the assets into one account (instead of the required two- one for the SEP and the other for the 401(k)) Life and Death Planning for Retirement Benefits by Natalie B. Choatehttps://www.ataxplan.com/life-and-death-planning-for-retirement-benefits/ www.DeniseAppleby.com
Guest Barbara Roper Posted December 20, 2002 Posted December 20, 2002 Thank you for your reply. I have a question about it, which will reveal my general level of ignorance in these matters. Does the fact that we need a prototype SEP mean we can't maintain our current SEP-IRA, or does it simply mean we need a different form for reporting on the SEP? Is a prototype SEP likely to be subject to different conditions than our current account? On the profit-sharing question, does the fact that we are a non-profit affect our ability to add a profit-sharing feature to the 401(k)? We have reasons for wanting to maintain our SEP-IRA, because we prefer the low fees and wide selection of funds that Vanguard offers. As a practical matter, is there a way we can continue to offer the SEP with Vanguard if Vanguard will not provide the prototype SEP document? I'd appreciate any insight you or others may have.
Gary Lesser Posted December 26, 2002 Posted December 26, 2002 The $40,000 limit under a SEP is reduced for HCEs if the plan is integrated. There is also a 25% limit on allocations based on taxable compensation (gross compensation reduced by non-catch-up elective). Otherwise the amounts deductible under the SEP eat away at the allowable P/S limit under Code Section 404(h). Other institutions have prototype documents that allow a SEP in combination with 401(k) plan.
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