Guest Moira Posted December 8, 2006 Posted December 8, 2006 I have a plan that excludes bonuses from the compensation definition, and for this plan year fails the compensation ratio test. The plan is meeting the ADP safe harbor with a 3% nonelective contribution. There is also an additional discretionary match. I cannot find anything definitive to tell me what we need to do with this situation, although my assumption is we need to do the 3% nonelective on the basis of total compensation instead of compensation less bonuses. Correct? Thank you.
BG5150 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I have a plan that excludes bonuses from the compensation definition, and for this plan year fails the compensation ratio test. The plan is meeting the ADP safe harbor with a 3% nonelective contribution. There is also an additional discretionary match. I cannot find anything definitive to tell me what we need to do with this situation, although my assumption is we need to do the 3% nonelective on the basis of total compensation instead of compensation less bonuses. Correct? Thank you. I agree. And the plan should be amended for the year (at least) to not exclude the compensation so there is not an operational failure. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
JanetM Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 If the only ones who get bonus are HCE, you can do just what you do now and exclude the bonus from comp. JanetM CPA, MBA
rcline46 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Check you plan document to see if there is a 414(s) definition of compensation. If so you can always rely on that to do your testing. So if you use a SH definition under 414(s), you are golden!
Guest Moira Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 If the only ones who get bonus are HCE, you can do just what you do now and exclude the bonus from comp. The big problem is there are 2 HCEs and only one of them even gets a bonus. 4 NHCEs all have bonus compensation, one of which received almost 15% of his annual compensation in bonus. Miserable failure. Thank you for your thoughts!
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