K2retire Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 I've just uncovered a situation that is new to me. A client has rehired a previous plan participant and wants to cover her immediately. (In fact, he has permitted her to defer and already matched her deferrals.) Unfortunately, his plan was written with a one year hold out rule for employer contributions. Is that something that can be self corrected to conform the document to the plan's operations?
Mike Preston Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 Are you sure? For many reasons, the one year rule usually is not applied to those who are rehired. So, check the document and see if it doesn't say that a prior participant, upon rehire, commences participation immediately, including eligibility for employer match.
K2retire Posted February 22, 2008 Author Posted February 22, 2008 The adoption agreement says "The one year hold out rule rescribed in Plan Section 2.03(b) applies to the Plan and all Participants." Since another option under that same section says "Applies to the plan, but only to a Participant who has incurred a Separation from Service" it seems reasonable to assume that all Particicipants would inlcude those with a Separation from Service.
Mike Preston Posted February 22, 2008 Posted February 22, 2008 Has the "error" crossed a plan year end?
K2retire Posted February 22, 2008 Author Posted February 22, 2008 Yes. The participant terminated several years ago and was rehired in August, 2007. It is a calendar year plan.
Peanut Butter Man Posted February 23, 2008 Posted February 23, 2008 What does the Basic Plan Document state about rehired participants since it is a prototype document?
K2retire Posted February 25, 2008 Author Posted February 25, 2008 The base plan document says "A Particiant who incurs a Separation from Service will re-enter the Plan as a Participant on the date of his/her re-employment with the Employer, subject to the one year hold-out rule, if applicable, under Section 2.03(B)."
Jim Chad Posted February 25, 2008 Posted February 25, 2008 I can't see how to do the one year hold out rule in 401(k). How can you retroactively let the Participant defer? It makes sense to me to apply it only to the 401(a) and 401(m) parts of the plan. I would let the person defer immediately. FWIW
K2retire Posted February 25, 2008 Author Posted February 25, 2008 The plan document specficically excludes deferrals from the one year hold out rule. The participant was allowed to defer immediately. The plan also matched her immediately. My question is if this is something that can be self corrected by amending the plan to conform to its operation.
BG5150 Posted February 25, 2008 Posted February 25, 2008 Hasn't the person already suffered the one-year hold out rule the first time he was employed? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Jim Chad Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Let me try to clarify something....the one year hold out rule has nothing to do with eligibility. It has to do with when you do the paperwork on letting a rehire back into the Plan. Many documents will give you the option to wait a year before allowing a rehire back in the Plan. But then, if the employee stays for a year, you have to go back to the date of rehire with all beneifits. I find this choice to be a pain and I try to avoid it. K2retire - Are these seperate accounts so the money is in that Participant's account? or is it pooled?
K2retire Posted February 26, 2008 Author Posted February 26, 2008 They are separate accounts. I totally agree that this is an option to be avoided, unfortuantely I didn't write this document.
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