Guest elang Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Seems like an absurd question, but I ask because I have now seen this done on more than one plan. When completing the ADP test, can the first $5,500 of deferrals for a participant over 50 be considered catch-up, or must the participant first reach the “deferral limit” or “employer provided limit” before any additional deferral is considered catch-up?
chc93 Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Salary deferrals can only be classified as catch-up if a limit is exceeded... 402g, 415, plan provision. Otherwise, no catch-up when doing the ADP test. For example, if $16,500 deferral, and no other limits are exceeded, $16,500 has to be in ADP test.
Tom Poje Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 and so the following could occur 2 owners HCE 1 (age 55) 55,000 comp 5,500 deferral 10% ADP HCE 2 (under 50) 55,000 comp 5,500 deferral 10% ADP HCE Avg 10% NHCE avg 6% so plan fails and there would be some catch up for HCE1 and some distrib to HCE 2 if you could count catch up first then HCE1 would be 0% and the avg would have been 5%, and passing.
BG5150 Posted May 2, 2012 Posted May 2, 2012 Salary deferrals can only be classified as catch-up if a limit is exceeded... 402g, 415, plan provision. Otherwise, no catch-up when doing the ADP test. For example, if $16,500 deferral, and no other limits are exceeded, $16,500 has to be in ADP test. However, if the test fails, an HCE can have all or a portion of the deferrals classified as a catch-up to offset a refund to that person. It doesn't help the test, but it does mitigate the amount of the refund. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Guest jkhan Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 If your plan fails ACP but passes ADP, you can always shift percentage from ADP (by recharacterizing) to pass the ACP.
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