Cynchbeast Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 We have a 401(k) plan with ER match, and the owner of the corporation, is already a participant. He has stopped working (no hours and no compensation reported) but is not officially terminated. How is he treated in the 410(b) test? Benefitting in 401(k) with 0% deferrals and non-benefitting in match (since he hasn't satisfied requirements, and there is nothing to match anyway); or Excludable - since he didn't work there during the year I could also ask this as it applies to an employee who is on leave the entire year but has not officially terminated.
BG5150 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I think the EOB recommends keeping him out, but don't quote me on that. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
StormShadow Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I agree... no compensation, no opportunity to defer = not benefitting and exclude from test. This would apply to either the owner or employee.
BG5150 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I would say not in 410 at all either. Not just not benefiting, but excluded altogether. QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Cynchbeast Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 That is the way we have always treated it. We did have this issue come up with our software vendor (Datair), who disagrees. I generally have to override that in the testing.
StormShadow Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 Out of curiosity, how does Datair treat 0 compensation employees and what is their line of reasoning?
Peter Gulia Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 Even apart from shareholder circumstances, it's possible for an employee to have zero wages for a period if she performed no work during the period. This sometimes happens when an employee is available to work, but the employer had no work it wanted the employee to do. Peter Gulia PC Fiduciary Guidance Counsel Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 215-732-1552 Peter@FiduciaryGuidanceCounsel.com
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