AlbanyConsultant Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 We took over the plans of a non-profit controlled group - three distinct entities, each with their own plan. Their approximate 2013 demographics are: Corp - 519 NHCEs, 1 HCE, profit sharing only plan (they also have a non-ERISA 403(b) plan for this group) CA - 20 NHCE, 0 HCE, 401(k) plan with match HA - 50 NHCE, 0 HCE, 401(k) plan with match The CA and HA plans are identical I believe coverage is OK for 2013 as the only benefitting HCE is in the profit sharing, and that test is (1/1) / (519/589) > 70%. However, one employee of CA had comp > $115K in 2013, so she will be an HCE for 2014. I think that will blow this arrangement up, as the deferral and match tests for 2014 will be (1/2) / (69/588) = 23.5%. Obviously, this would be Bad News. So... 1. Please tell me that my math and/or logic is completely off and everything works out fine. 2. Can I use a QSLOB election to group CA & HA and get around this? 3. If not, is there another way to pass coverage? I haven't looked at average benefits, but I suspect that having 500+ participants getting no benefit will sink that test, too. 4. I'm going to assume that the plan sponsor would like to avoid bringing in 206 - 69 = 137 employees of the Corp into one of the 401(k) plans and giving them QNEC/QMAC allocations to pass coverage. Is there another option? Thanks.
ETA Consulting LLC Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 I'll amend the plans for CA and HA to exclude HCEs. You'd have to find another way, potentially a non-qualified arrangement, to benefit them. That would be a quick fix. Good Luck! CPC, QPA, QKA, TGPC, ERPA
BG5150 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Do they all have > 1 YOS? Any way to disaggregate them? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Tom Poje Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 you didn't indicate what the avg ben % test was. if it is above 70% then the 23.5% is greater than the safe harbor % of 20.75% so plan would pass avg ben test.
austin3515 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 fwiw, I don't think you can use the 403b deferrals in the Avg Ben Test. Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
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