MLML Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 Hi, Profit Sharing only plan. 12/31 Plan Year End. Allocation formula is new comparability where each individual is in its own class. There is no allocation condition to receive a profit sharing contribution. The compensation used for the profit sharing allocation is full year compensation. There will be one new participant who will enter the plan as of 7/1/2016 (entry dates are 1/1 and 7/1). Can I amend the Plan effective 1/1/2016 (retroactively) to change the compensation used for the profit sharing allocation purpose? I'd like to amend the plan to include the wording - Exclude compensation paid during determination period while not a Participant. Or, is this considered a cutback and therefore can only be amended for future years? Maybe it is okay as long as the amendment is adopted before 7/1/2016? I was thinking maybe it is a cutback because current document has no allocation condition. However, the current formula is "each individual in its own class", which means no one actually earned any right/benefit until the individual percentage is determined by the employer. Thank you for your help.
Lou S. Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 I believe you are OK if you amend prior to any employee entering the plan (in this case 7/1) The one caveat I would have is if this is part of a safe harbor 401(k) Plan you might have a problem. But if you are worried and everyone is in their own group why not just change "testing compensation" to compensation while a participant?
MLML Posted January 28, 2016 Author Posted January 28, 2016 Lou S., Thank you. I think I am okay too as long as it is amended before 7/1. It is not a safe harbor plan, so that's good (profit sharing only plan). Just to make sure I understand your last point, the client wants to minimize the contribution for this employee and that's the reason I need to amend the plan's compensation definition for the allocation purpose. Our document allows the compensation definition for the testing purpose to be either full year or partial year while a participant regardless of what definition is used for the allocation purpose. Thanks!
Bill Presson Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Would there be a testing issue if the ER just makes a smaller contribution? Assuming it's top heavy, you'll have to give at least a 6% contribution of the 7/1-12/31 comp anyway. But if everyone is in their own group, just give a lower percentage. William C. Presson, ERPA, QPA, QKA bill.presson@gmail.com C 205.994.4070
BG5150 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 If the test is passing at just gateway, lowering comp will lower allocation. 5% of $25,000 is less than 5% of $50k. [Thanks, Captain Obvious!] Bill Presson 1 QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
MLML Posted January 28, 2016 Author Posted January 28, 2016 BG5150 You got it. It has been passing with 5% gateway for years. Thanks.
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