Florida1 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Client's old FA set up a calendar year non-SH 401(k) effective 4/1/2016 which excludes leased employees. Can it be converted to a SH-401(k) covering leased employees now? Client has leased employees that he is happy to include now that he knows he needs to in order to pass testing. Solutions much appreciated.
Lou S. Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Once you have a non SH plan you are locked into non-safe harbor plan for the the year. You can amend for 2017.
BG5150 Posted June 16, 2016 Posted June 16, 2016 What testing does he need to pass if the plan is to be Safe Harbor? QKA, QPA, CPC, ERPATwo wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left.
Florida1 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Posted June 16, 2016 Coverage ratio and average benefits failed. H=100% owner. W= owner by attribution (2 minor children). H=only employee on payroll. 20+ leased employees. More than half would be eligible for the plan (age 21 & 1 YOS = 1,000 hours). None of the leased employees would be HCEs. Small leasing co with no plan of its own. When plan was opened, H immediately deposited entire 2016 salary deferral amount. Advice as to how to proceed with client is much appreciated. TY.
Tom Poje Posted June 16, 2016 Posted June 16, 2016 since the leased employees have met eligibility you fail coverage since they are not in the plan. this would require a corrective amendment to give them a QNEC to pass coverage. so you give them all 3% which is the same effect as a 3% safe harbor (except that you would have to run an ADP test but could include the 3% in the test. without knowing actually numbers - how much HCE deferred and his comp and if the children are in the plan and not deferring you are probably no off worse than a safe harbor. actually you said the plan started in 2016 so amend to immediate eligbiility. everyone is in owner defers 18000 and has max comp so ADP% is 6.9 2 children in the plan not deferring so the avg is only 2.3% so to pass testing they only need 1.15% to the NHCE (not 3% as required with a safe harbor) first year of plan, so top heavy determined at end of year. so give NHCEs 1.15% of pay or just enough more so plan is not top heavy. to be safe, make deposit by 12/31 (regs say you really shouldn't use contributions deposited after 12/31 in determining top heavy. but this sounds like it might not be as expensive as a safe harbor - and would never be if the owners children don't defer and the ADP avg is less than 5%. Florida1 1
austin3515 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 That;s why they let Tom literally "write the book." duckthing and K2retire 2 Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
austin3515 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 In case you're not sure what I am referring to: http://www.wklawbusiness.com/store/products/coverage-nondiscrimination-answer-book-fourth-prod-0735581940/hardcover-item-1-0735581940 Austin Powers, CPA, QPA, ERPA
Tom Poje Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 It would probably be better for all if Tom had the 'book' thrown at him instead. you have to put up with his dry humor and everything else but if I have managed to share a little knowledge or useful advice then maybe it balances things out. austin3515 and K2retire 2
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